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Topic: Geb in Berlin - new WR |
Deco
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 posted Sep-30-2007 04:46 AM
  
2:04:27. Unofficial.
I'm delighted for him. He's put the disappointment of London behind him in some style. Posted a 2:46 for the 33rd km!
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tuscaloosarunner
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posted Sep-30-2007 06:43 AM
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Originally posted by Deco:
2:04:27. Unofficial.
I'm delighted for him. He's put the disappointment of London behind him in some style. Posted a 2:46 for the 33rd km!
Wow. Just wow. ------------------
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hopper3011
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posted Sep-30-2007 06:46 AM
2:04.26 - it's official. He was much more isolated than Tergat in the final miles, Kirui was 2:06+ and Kipsang 2:07.29.
It was a confirmation of the slow start strategy - just like Tergat he was behind WR pace at halfway and really went hard over the final 6.
BTW congrats to you Americans - in the GNR Kara Goucher beat Paula in her first race back. Fastest time in 07 too - not bad for a first shot at the distance.
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DanMoriarity
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posted Sep-30-2007 12:30 PM
They announced it at the starting line of my race today. I was hoping to get to 30k in Geb's marathon time or under ... didn't make it. The guy's awesome. A study in perseverence.
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crunningman
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posted Sep-30-2007 07:03 PM
4:44/mile for 26.2There are no words to describe it.
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PacerChris
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posted Sep-30-2007 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by crunningman:
4:44/mile for 26.2There are no words to describe it.
I got a few words - HOLY SH!T!!! OUCH! How the hell?! Words like that. And huge ups to Kara Goucher - she didn't even realize she had just run an American record for the half! Good first race back for Paula - she didn't hit a home run, but she ran a decent time. I hope she's healthy for Beijing - win or lose, she'll make the race much more interesting. ------------------
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PacerChris
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posted Sep-30-2007 07:57 PM
I just saw that one of his pacers was Rodgers Rop and he dropped him like a bad habit! Holy cow!
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runningrufus
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posted Sep-30-2007 10:18 PM
Gee whiz! Holy smokes! What the @@$@$$$! All Hail Haile!
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joev9
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posted Oct-01-2007 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by PacerChris:
And huge ups to Kara Goucher - she didn't even realize she had just run an American record for the half! Good first race back for Paula - she didn't hit a home run, but she ran a decent time. I hope she's healthy for Beijing - win or lose, she'll make the race much more interesting.
No record, apparently it's a downhill route that's not record eligible. Too bad for Kara but still an amazing run!!!
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obsessor
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posted Oct-01-2007 10:38 AM
2:46 for the 33rd k?That's faster than my fastest 1k. (ok, so I am not fast - no need to point that out.) We all knew he was very fast, and that is amazing, but I am fairly blown away by Kara Gaucher's performance - her first half-marathon, and 1:06:57, eh? Did I read that time right? Who here has done better? 1 or 2 of us? Not I. I expected a 1:11 or so, and she's well under the A.R. time, albeit on a non-eligible course. Hats off to Ms. Gaucher, for upping the ante. (and, I should point out, a MN native.) And - I am sure the Brit press is all over her (in a bad way - the only way they do it?) but Radcliff put down a very respectable performance, considering. She's not finished by a long shot.
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gcklo
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posted Oct-01-2007 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by obsessor:
2:46 for the 33rd k?That's faster than my fastest 1k. (ok, so I am not fast - no need to point that out.) We all knew he was very fast, and that is amazing, but I am fairly blown away by Kara Gaucher's performance - her first half-marathon, and 1:06:57, eh? Did I read that time right? Who here has done better? 1 or 2 of us? Not I. I expected a 1:11 or so, and she's well under the A.R. time, albeit on a non-eligible course. Hats off to Ms. Gaucher, for upping the ante. (and, I should point out, a MN native.) And - I am sure the Brit press is all over her (in a bad way - the only way they do it?) but Radcliff put down a very respectable performance, considering. She's not finished by a long shot.
It looks like the Goucher wife is going to be more famous than the Goucher husband in distance running.
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crunningman
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posted Oct-01-2007 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by gcklo:
It looks like the Goucher wife is going to be more famous than the Goucher husband in distance running.
Much better looking to if I might add! 
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milkbaby
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posted Oct-02-2007 12:24 AM
Not to disrespect a great run by Geb who finally got the marathon WR, but I'm much more surprised that Kara Goucher ran a 1:06:57 AR in the HM downhill or not. She also was faster than the American records at 15k, 10 miles, and 20k... that's scary... Maybe Salazar is a better coach than most people are willing to give him credit for, or maybe the Nike Oregon Project didn't initially get the athletes with the most potential, who knows?
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lioness1
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posted Oct-02-2007 12:36 AM
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Originally posted by milkbaby:
Not to disrespect a great run by Geb who finally got the marathon WR, but I'm much more surprised that Kara Goucher ran a 1:06:57 AR in the HM downhill or not. She also was faster than the American records at 15k, 10 miles, and 20k... that's scary... Maybe Salazar is a better coach than most people are willing to give him credit for, or maybe the Nike Oregon Project didn't initially get the athletes with the most potential, who knows?
As an admirer of Salazar, I tend to go with the former. He seems as focused and driven in being the best possible coach as he was as a runner to be the best at that. The man doesn't quit. But, of course, great as he is, only Cara Goucher can run her races, and she's certainly shown she can make it happen. And she's just getting warmed up! As for Geb... wow, legendary stuff! Any thoughts on how low the men's marathon record can go in the next few years? And how soon Geb breaks his own record?
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joev9
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posted Oct-02-2007 08:36 AM
Geb made a comment that he thinks it can go under 2 hours!!!
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crunningman
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posted Oct-02-2007 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by lioness1:
As for Geb... wow, legendary stuff! Any thoughts on how low the men's marathon record can go in the next few years? And how soon Geb breaks his own record?
It is really hard to say.
Progression of Men's Marathon Record
Haile Gebrselassie 2007 Berlin 2:04:26
Paul Tergat 2003 Berlin 2:04:55
Khalid Khannouchi 2002 London 2:05:38
Khalid Khannouchi 1999 Chicago 2:05:42
Ronaldo da Costa 1998 Berlin 2:06:05
Belayneh Densimo 1988 Rotterdam 2:06:50
Carlos Lopes 1985 Rotterdam 2:07:12
Steve Jones 1984 Chicago 2:08:05
Rob de Castella 1981 Fukuoka 2:08:18
Derek Clayton 1969 Antwerp 2:08:34
Derek Clayton 1967 Fukuoka 2:09:36
Morio Shigematsu 1965 Chiswick 2:12:00 It took 4 years to lower the mark. There are quite few guys running 2:06-2:08 right now and some very capable half marathoners who could move up as well. Only time will tell. If Haile can stay healthy there is no doubt he could run sub2:04, but then again it sure would be nice if he had someone pushing him at the same time like Tergat had with Korir in 2003.
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uli f
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posted Oct-02-2007 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by Deco:
2Posted a 2:46 for the 33rd km!
Hey Deco I also ran Berlin and that K was short (my guess is 90m). The following long K compensated for that (I ran fairly consistend, but had 3:28 and 4:08 there). I don't understand how these things happen in such huge races.... Anyway, Haile rocks. Cheers
uli
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PacerChris
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posted Oct-02-2007 01:26 PM
Sub 2 hours - boy, I hate to say it's impossible, but I don't think I'll live to see it. You'd need to have a load of guys be able to comfortably run well under 60:00 for a half and there's just not that many guys that can do that. Of course, I didn't think 2:03:something was very likely either and that doesn't sound so ridiculous now so who knows.What's more impressive - Paula's 2:15 or Haile's 2:04? Paula is just so far away from anyone else's best time it's almost freakish. If I recall correctly, the year she ran her 2:15:25 she was the fastest Brit that year, male or female.
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crunningman
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posted Oct-02-2007 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by PacerChris:
Sub 2 hours - boy, I hate to say it's impossible, but I don't think I'll live to see it. You'd need to have a load of guys be able to comfortably run well under 60:00 for a half and there's just not that many guys that can do that.
Don't say that Chris  . There are a handful or two of guys that can run under 60, but you are correct. Is it a comfortable 60 where they could continue on. Probably not yet, but they are getting closer.
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What's more impressive - Paula's 2:15 or Haile's 2:04? Paula is just so far away from anyone else's best time it's almost freakish. If I recall correctly, the year she ran her 2:15:25 she was the fastest Brit that year, male or female.
I suppose 2:15 would be impressive enough for the majority of guys throughout this country. I would go with Paula's 2:15 only because there have only been 8 sub2:20 women ever. Look at how many guys have broken 2:10 for example or even 2:08. Hundreds! But then again, only "3" have run sub2:05. I still think 2002 is arguably the most impressive year with Khannouchi running sub2:06 twice and Radcliffe's sub2:18/2:17 in consecutive marathons:
London Marathon
KK - 2:05:38 - Tergat 2:05:48 - Geb 2:06:35
Radcliffe - 2:18:56
Chicago Marathon
KK - 2:05:56 - Njenga/Takaoka 2:06:16 - Tergat - 2:06:18
Radcliffe - 2:17:18
N'dereba - 2:19:26
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PacerChris
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posted Oct-02-2007 04:27 PM
Craig - you clearly left off my 2007 year where I will record 3 sub 3:00's and twice set a marathon PR. How about some love?! 
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mcsolar99
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posted Oct-02-2007 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by crunningman:
It is really hard to say.
Progression of Men's Marathon Record
Haile Gebrselassie 2007 Berlin 2:04:26
Paul Tergat 2003 Berlin 2:04:55
Khalid Khannouchi 2002 London 2:05:38
Khalid Khannouchi 1999 Chicago 2:05:42
Ronaldo da Costa 1998 Berlin 2:06:05
Belayneh Densimo 1988 Rotterdam 2:06:50
Carlos Lopes 1985 Rotterdam 2:07:12
Steve Jones 1984 Chicago 2:08:05
Rob de Castella 1981 Fukuoka 2:08:18
Derek Clayton 1969 Antwerp 2:08:34
Derek Clayton 1967 Fukuoka 2:09:36
Morio Shigematsu 1965 Chiswick 2:12:00
so if you plot these, the record drops with time in a very linear way. extrapolating (which we all know is dangerous  ) predicts a 2 hour marathon in 2040. i'll put a six-pack on 2038. somebody will get crazy as it gets close to 2 hours flat and will do the unthinkable ahead of schedule. won't be geb or bekele though. but chances are that our hero is already here among us. ok, maybe not reading this board yet...  [This message has been edited by mcsolar99 (edited Oct-02-2007).]
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crunningman
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posted Oct-03-2007 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by PacerChris:
Craig - you clearly left off my 2007 year where I will record 3 sub 3:00's and twice set a marathon PR. How about some love?!
Well, I still got ya beat
4sub3:00's in 2005 2:58 - Martian Marathon(PR)
2:59 - Glass City Marathon
2:57 - Cleveland Marathon(New PR)
2:54 - Chicago Marathon(Current PR) I will add that you are still faster than me. By the way, you will set that PR. I have faith in you
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PacerChris
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posted Oct-03-2007 01:27 PM
Dagnabbit, Craig - now I'm going to have to ditch my pace group at Dallas to go sub 3:00 and tie your record!! Rats!!Maybe that will be the goal for 2008 - 5 sub 3:00's. I'll have to convince my wife of that one - that will take some effort. OK - put me down for a 12 pack that the marathon world record will be no faster than 2:02 in the year 2040...I should be able to make it that long to cash in on this bet
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tuscaloosarunner
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posted Oct-03-2007 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by mcsolar99:
so if you plot these, the record drops with time in a very linear way. extrapolating (which we all know is dangerous ) predicts a 2 hour marathon in 2040.i'll put a six-pack on 2038. somebody will get crazy as it gets close to 2 hours flat and will do the unthinkable ahead of schedule. won't be geb or bekele though. but chances are that our hero is already here among us. ok, maybe not reading this board yet... [This message has been edited by mcsolar99 (edited Oct-02-2007).]
Isn't there a galaxy that needs your attention F*ck, when did smart people start posting on CW? ------------------
Tuscaloosarunner
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crunningman
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posted Oct-03-2007 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by PacerChris:
Dagnabbit, Craig - now I'm going to have to ditch my pace group at Dallas to go sub 3:00 and tie your record!! Rats!!Maybe that will be the goal for 2008 - 5 sub 3:00's. I'll have to convince my wife of that one - that will take some effort. OK - put me down for a 12 pack that the marathon world record will be no faster than 2:02 in the year 2040...I should be able to make it that long to cash in on this bet
Chris, I have no doubt you could probably handle a sub3 more often than you think. In 2008 I'm just hoping to get back to the point where I can run sub3 and then a sub2:50 in the fall. I'm guessing it will probably take our lifetime for someone to run sub2:00. We will be old men
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