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2007 Charlotte NC Thunder Road Marry! Long Post but worth the read!

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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Dec-08-2007 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JasonsDrivingForce     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I had finally talked myself into doing the Charlotte Thunder Road Marathon again. It was my first marathon when I attempted it last year. I was totally unprepared for that race and as it turns out I did not have luck on my side. I broke my foot in half(3rd metatarsal) at the 5 mile mark and I suffered from severe dehydration at mile 22 in the 22 degree dry weather.

This year promised to be different! I have taken almost 1 minute off of my 5K, 10K, and 10 mile times. I have been doing almost the same amount of training that I did last year except I have concentrated much more on my nutrition and hydration. I completed a 23 mile training run two weeks ago on a HILLY course in 2:55 so I decided to go for Broke! My plan was to attempt to qualify for the Boston marathon in 3:10:59 or less.

So my wife and I drive down to Charlotte NC from our home 170 miles away in Raleigh NC. There was almost no traffic so the drive only took about 3 hours. Ironically, that was just about the amount of time I was planning to run the 26.2 in!

As luck would have it both my wife and I had come down with colds two days before. My cold was getting worse but it was manageable. However, my wife was in dire straights. She toughed it out but she was suffering mightily with a sinus infection and a pretty massive fever.

We got to Charlotte and decided that some Sushi for me and hot Japanese soup for my wife would be the best choice. I woofed down about 16 pieces of sushi and we headed back to our hotel room. My wife was done and she desperately needed sleep. I on the other hand was simply just too nervous to sleep. I kept going over the course, comparing the elevations to other courses, checking the split times I would need to BQ, and all of the other things a paranoid runner does.

In the end my internet connection stopped working so I decided to turn the computer off and hit the hay at 8:00 PM. I thought to myself “There are going to be some up hills, some downhills, and some flat sections in-between but in the end the race is still just 26.2+ miles. If I am ready for it then I will do well. If I have not prepared enough then I will Bonk like I had last year. With that thought I was able to fall asleep.

I got up the next morning and hurried through my pre-race checklist. Water, check, Gels check, shoes check, shirt check, and shorts check. Ready to go! I hurried out the door and down to the start line outside the hotel because there were only 15 minutes till start time.

When I finally got there I realized I had forgotten my Garmin GPS watch. Since there was no 3:10 pace group I was going to struggle to not go out too fast. I decided to fly back to the room to get the Garmin. I raced through the hotel and got the watch. However, by that time it was less than 5 minutes before the start. I could see everyone lined up through the windows. I could hear the starter talking. I was trying to find my way out of the hotel. Nothing was working!

Every time I rounded a corner I couldn’t go anywhere. I heard the starter say runners set…..Go! I panicked. I couldn’t believe I had missed the start of the RACE!

Then I woke up! My worst nightmare had turned out to be just that. A nightmare. I was soooo nervous about the race that I just couldn’t keep my mind from racing. I also was starting to feel the affects of being sick. I was running a fever, although I did not let my wife know that. She would not have let me run if she had known how sick I really was. Hey I ran 21.2 miles with a shattered foot last year. I wasn’t going to let a little fever stop me!

So I finally woke up “For real” the next morning and got ready. I made it out to the race start with time to spare. The weather was simply perfect. Mid 40’s to start warming up into the 60’s with a few clouds but no chance of rain.

We all lined up and I chatted with some of the other runners and a friend from our NCRC club. The time was finally here. I had the chance to prove that I could actually run the marathon and not die halfway through.

I had lined up near the 3:15 pace guy thinking that I would just stay with them for 1 mile to keep myself under control on the steap first downhills. After that I would settle into my 7:15/mile pace and just hang on to it as long as I could.

We all started off and I noticed that the 3:15 pace guy had gone out of the gate like his pants were on fire! He took off in a dead sprint with 15 runners trying to keep up. I thought what the H$LL is that guy doing. He is going to kill those poor people. It was a steap downhill at first but it did not warrant that pace.

I was trying to hold back but I found myself getting out of the chute a little quick also. The first mile went passed in 6:38. That sounds like a suicidal pace but trust me I was holding back on that mile. I felt like I was right where I wanted to be. The 3:15 group on the other hand had reeled off a nice 6 flat mile. God, they must have been hurting!

I knew to let them all go. I just ran my own pace that felt comfortable. I was feeling strong and the miles were ticking away. 2 at 7:07, 3 at 6:53, 4 at 7:06. And so on. I was staying right around a 7:05 average for the first 8 miles. That was the half marathon pace I had selected and I was holding it.

At mile 9 I decided to accept a reload of water bottles from my father who had driven out to that point to cheer me on. I had gone through about 30 ounces of water already so the extra water was a welcome site.

The miles kept ticking away but I was fading back towards that magic 7:15 pace now. The 10 mile mark came up at 1:11:17. Damn that was 6 seconds off of my 10 mile PR and I didn’t sprint at all. I was running strong now.

I crossed an major intersection that was backed up for miles and a guy about 3 cars back was honking his horn constantly. The police officer just stood there like a statue. He wasn’t letting anybody go through. As I passed the cop I said “Why don’t you just Taze him”. The police officer just smirked. They really do a good job of directing traffic at the Thunder Road marathon. There is a police officer at every single intersection.

The half marathon mark was coming up and I remember thinking “Boy wouldn’t it be great to be sprinting to the finish line right now?”. Instead I had to do another half all over again. I was still going strong though. The half way point came up in 1:34:22! That was a half marry PR by 6 minutes!

I thought to myself “I am going to really do this”. The 3:10 is in my grasp. That all started to change over the next 5 miles though. The course got into the meat of the hills and it really started to wear me down. I was slipping back to 7:38, 7:45, 7:55, 7:55, 7:52. I just couldn’t maintain speed up those hills. At mile 18 I realized I was out of water and running low on gels.

My wife was supposed to struggle out of bed and walk the 1 block to mile 18 and meet me with a water bottle. If she wasn’t able to make it then I knew I would be doomed. I simply just burn through water to quickly. Without it I knew I was going to cramp.

I passed the 18 mile mark and head down the steep hill where she was supposed to be waiting. At first I couldn’t find her. Then I spotted her. I waved my empty bottle to signal that I needed a refill. She showed the white water bottle that was to be my savior.

I took the bottle and immediately started to suck it down. The sun was out now and it was starting to get warm. It was close to 60 degrees and most people were in long sleeve shirts and pants. I was smart! I had checked the weather. I knew that being a little cold at the start was going to be worth it in the end. My running shorts and singlet were ideal now.

I got to mile 20 and I was slipping fast. I was guzzling water like crazy and my pace had fallen to about 8:00 per mile. I knew that the 3:10 was out of reach now. I tore the 3:10 race splits band off my arm. However, it was not in disgust. I knew it was the right thing to do. I was going to risk not finishing the race if I tried to bring my pace back down now. I knew that I was fading but not as bad as everyone else around me.

Actually, I was passing people. Slowly but surely everyone was starting to walk. They weren’t stopping to get water and the heat was taking its toll. I just pressed on and made sure that I didn’t over do it.

At 22 miles I was supposed to meet my father for the last two bottles of water. I was totally out of water and I had taken at least 4 gels in the last 10 miles. I needed water and I needed it NOW.

I passed the exact tree that I had collapsed on in agony the year before. It was just passed 22 miles. I had full leg cramps then and I tried to stretch them out on that tree to no avail. I thought that I should touch the tree almost to say “I won’t need your help this year”. However, there were already 3 people hanging on it in the exact same pain I was in 1 year ago.

Everyone was dropping like flies now. I was passing a lot of people now. Everytime I passed I would look them straight in the eye and say “Don’t give up, you can still do it, try to get some water, it is getting hot now”. It worked for several of them. They started to run again but would fade shortly after that.

I remembered the comment that a runner had said to me the year before. A lady said “I sure am glad I didn’t bonk like that guy(Pointing to me as I cuddled my favorite oak tree in pure agony). That comment had stuck with me for a full year. I couldn’t believe how low it made me feel and how it really didn’t help that lady any.

I made a commitment to help every single runner I saw make it to the end!

I was coming up on the 23 mile mark when I saw my father with the last two water bottles I needed. Man that was a glorious site. I grabbed them at started to recharge for the final push home.

At mile 24 there is a stupid crazy hill. It is not long but it is VERY steep. I hadn’t walked to that point so I wasn’t going to walk now. I wasn’t moving that fast but there were several other people who were reduced to walking up that hill. I passed them and gave them some encouragement as I went by.

I was on the home stretch now. However, my legs were feeling it. They were on the verge of cramping and I had slowed considerably now. I was in the upper 8’s but I was determined to finish.

I sped up a bit at mile 25 but I just could not manage to get any sort of sprint up. As I came up to the line I managed to get down to 7:06 for the final .2 miles but I was in no shape for a proper sprint.

I crossed the line in 3:20:40 and collapsed immediately. They picked me up and tried to keep me moving but it was no use. I had cramped as I stepped across the line. I couldn’t take another step.

I spent 5-10 minutes in the chute getting rid of the cramps. God that hurts when they just lock up like that. However, it was all worth it. I had missed my goal but I had PR’d by more than 38 minutes! I had also met the 40-45 BQ time. If only I was 10 years older!

In the end I felt terrific about the race. I thought I had run a well paced race and I knew I had left nothing out on the course. That was my 100% for today. With a little more training and a flatter course I know I will reach that BQ time in the near future. I also felt good that I had encouraged some people instead of belittling them while they were down. There is just no place for that.

Anyway, the race was really well run and I would highly recommend it to anyone who wants to run a semi-challenging marathon or half marathon.

Oh yea, the 3:00 and 3:15 pace guys both hit their times exactly. Too bad they only finished with people who were shooting for much higher times. All of the people who were shooting for 3:00 and 3:15 were spent from the ridiculous first 6 miles those pacers ran. Everyone is still wondering what they were thinking.

See you at the races!

Here are my splits and my Garmin report.
3:20:40
http://tinyurl.com/3xzoog

1 mile 6:38
2 mile 7:07
3 mile 6:53
4 mile 7:06
5 mile 7:15
6 mile 7:10
7 mile 7:17
8 mile 7:12
9 mile 7:16
10 mile 7:20
11 mile 7:14
12 mile 7:27
13 mile 7:27
13.2 mile 0:53
14 mile 6:47
15 mile 7:38
16 mile 7:45
17 mile 7:55
18 mile 7:55
19 mile 7:52
20 mile 8:08
21 mile 8:15
22 mile 8:23
23 mile 8:23
24 mile 8:39
25 mile 8:38
26 mile 8:18
26.2 mile 1:36


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RunForFun
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posted Dec-08-2007 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunForFun   Click Here to Email RunForFun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Congrats on the race - Huge PR -

I do think the 1st 3 miles cost you 3-5 minutes of total time - But you recovered well and ran a really good race

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posted Dec-09-2007 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for runninlaw   Click Here to Email runninlaw     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
CONGRATULATIONS! Sounds like you set many PRs on that course.

LOL. Your marathon anxiety dream is a classic, you had me worried for you!

Yep, my experience is that pacers always tend to go blazing out of the gates. It is very important to be paying attention to it and holding off if you need to - you can always catch them later. It was smart of you to let your body control your race.

Sorry you didn't hit your BQ time, but a 38 minute PR is nothing to sneeze at. Enjoy your victory and recover well!

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posted Dec-09-2007 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for crunningman   Click Here to Email crunningman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by JasonsDrivingForce:
Oh yea, the 3:00 and 3:15 pace guys both hit their times exactly. Too bad they only finished with people who were shooting for much higher times. All of the people who were shooting for 3:00 and 3:15 were spent from the ridiculous first 6 miles those pacers ran. Everyone is still wondering what they were thinking.

Nice finish though. Good read.

Those guys should be blasted for going out at sub2:55 pace. Shows their inexperience and ignorance with pacing. Sure they hit their times in the end, but dropped everyone with them in the process. They had their agenda and it was "their own". That is why I only trust our very own PacerChris when it comes to pacing the 3:10/3:20 groups. Too bad he wasn't there.

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posted Dec-09-2007 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JasonsDrivingForce     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by crunningman:
Nice finish though. Good read.

Those guys should be blasted for going out at sub2:55 pace. Shows their inexperience and ignorance with pacing. Sure they hit their times in the end, but dropped everyone with them in the process. They had their agenda and it was "their own". That is why I only trust our very own [b]PacerChris when it comes to pacing the 3:10/3:20 groups. Too bad he wasn't there. [/B]


Yea I was actually contemplating offering to pay PacerChris to show up to the race. Wish I had now. However, I still don't think the first three miles cost me much if any time. They were down a really steap hill. I ran those 6:40's while holding myself back. It felt like I was walking. Check the profile from my garmin.

Anyway, I felt good about the effort and I lived to race another day.

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posted Dec-09-2007 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rainierun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great job! I enjoyed reading your race report. Way to hang in there in those last miles! Nice PR!

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posted Dec-10-2007 08:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JasonsDrivingForce     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A great big congrats goes to the woman who finished 2nd overall. She is quite a fantastic runner!

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posted Dec-10-2007 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for crunningman   Click Here to Email crunningman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by JasonsDrivingForce:
Here is something interesting.

The winner of the marathon(A guy) came in at 2:39:56.

I looked her up and she is a good runner(17:56 5K, 36:49 10K, 1:24:32 half marry). However, those times are not indicative of a 2:45:04 marathon are they? Is it possible to go from a 37:58 10K to a 2:45:04 marry in 1 month?


That is pretty impressive. My fastest times are simliar to hers.17:23, 36:34, 1:22, but my marathon time sits at 2:54:22. That makes me wonder??????????? I don't doubt it can be done, but it seems as if something is up.

Here pace per event:
17:56 - 5:46/pace
36:49 - 5:55/pace
1:24 - 6:24/pace
2:45:04 - 6:18/pace

I don't buy it. If she looked fresh coming across the line then maybe there is a reason for it?

The guy who finished 1st (Mike Aldrink) is definitely the real deal. He usually finishes in the top 3 of "nearly every" race (marathon) he enters.
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posted Dec-10-2007 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Docster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice report, Jason!

As for the first female finisher....I'm not terribly surprised she ran that time. She ran a 56 minute 15K a few months back. That projects out to a 2:49 ish marathon based off of McMillian's tables. I saw her finish one race this year...pretty fluid runner IIRC.

Who knows...maybe she is just now getting to longer distance races? (I didn't check for other marathon times, etc) A year ago no one had any inclination that Ryan Hall would be where he is. Obviously this isn't the same thing, but some people get stronger (per calculators) as the distance increases. For most of us, that really isn't true.

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posted Dec-10-2007 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CMJHawk86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jason,

Great report and great run! You beat me by a just a little bit (3:21:08). You're spot on about that hill in Mile 24, too! I think what makes that one so tough is that after the climb in Miles 20-22 there's a tendency to think "whew I'm done with the big hill, now I just have to finish," and then oops there's this other hill. Like you I dug deep, I felt like walking up it, but fought through it and came home strong.

That's just a small part of my story. I still owe my own report from the race, and hopefully I will post it today.

Congratulations again on fantastic run.

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posted Dec-10-2007 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for laker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by JasonsDrivingForce:
Yea I think something is up. I think she was actually part of a relay team but they gave her the award.

Yea Mike runs all of our local races. He is definitely the real deal. My wife got a video of him finishing and he was hurting but going strong. The lady was waving her arms and smiling and having a good old time my wife said. No way you do that time, on that course, and still look fresh at the end.

My wife also said that a woman finished 3rd overall but she didn't appear in the marathon results. She must have been part of a team also. There were some really fast teams out there.



Talk out your ass much? I ran with Megan for a lot of the race( until she dropped me). She was not a relay. I will admit it was a major breakthrough for her, but it was legit. She qualified for the olympic trials and earned it on a tough course. The next girl to finish (a couple minutes later) was a relay. And no, there were no fast relay teams. Congratulations on your PR.

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posted Dec-10-2007 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JasonsDrivingForce     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by laker:
Talk out your ass much? I ran with Megan for a lot of the race( until she dropped me). She was not a relay. I will admit it was a major breakthrough for her, but it was legit. She qualified for the olympic trials and earned it on a tough course. The next girl to finish (a couple minutes later) was a relay. And no, there were no fast relay teams. Congratulations on your PR.


Yes I apologize for what I said. My wife said that she saw her the whole way. She definitely did run the whole way and like I said before she is now my idol. That is a freaking fantastic run. I would love to know what her training has been like to get to that level so quickly.

Again I was wrong she is simply one of the most amazing runners out there. I removed all of my posts that questioned her race. You have to admit that her performance on Saturday was awfully hard to believe.

I wish her luck in the Olympics. I will be rooting for her.

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posted Dec-10-2007 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for laker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by JasonsDrivingForce:
Yes I apologize for what I said. My wife said that she saw her the whole way. She definitely did run the whole way and like I said before she is now my idol. That is a freaking fantastic run. I would love to know what her training has been like to get to that level so quickly.

Again I was wrong she is simply one of the most amazing runners out there. I removed all of my posts that questioned her race. You have to admit that her performance on Saturday was awfully hard to believe.

I wish her luck in the Olympics. I will be rooting for her.

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Well, I met her for the first time during the race, but it definitely seemed like she was surprised and thrilled to be running so well. When I mentioned to her that she was on pace to qualify for the trials she seemed genuinely surprised and thrilled, nice girl. It was fun for me to be a (small) part of it. One thing I wanted to question about your race report: Did you really think that the second half was hillier than the first? You must have been delirious because the first half is much tougher. I really like the second half but am not real crazy about the first, too tough to put up a really fast time, and I've run Boston a bunch of times (generally regarded as a tough course). Anyway, congrats again on your race!

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Originally posted by laker:
Well, I met her for the first time during the race, but it definitely seemed like she was surprised and thrilled to be running so well. When I mentioned to her that she was on pace to qualify for the trials she seemed genuinely surprised and thrilled, nice girl. It was fun for me to be a (small) part of it. One thing I wanted to question about your race report: Did you really think that the second half was hillier than the first? You must have been delirious because the first half is much tougher. I really like the second half but am not real crazy about the first, too tough to put up a really fast time, and I've run Boston a bunch of times (generally regarded as a tough course). Anyway, congrats again on your race!


Good run, laker! The 2nd half isn't really *that* much less hilly. A bit less rolling based on the elevation chart here: http://www.mapmyrun.com/run/united-states/nc/charlotte/662573586

I agree it's not as demanding though. Some of the camber of the roads from 14 through 17 wasn't so fun though.

The preview runs seemed worse than the race to me for some reason as far as hills go. Not sure why that was. Maybe since I was pacing a few friends and not at race pace it helped out.

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posted Dec-10-2007 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunForFun   Click Here to Email RunForFun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Laker - Did you get Megan's background? I am a little suprised at 25 years old - running such a good race and not knowing were the trials qualifying mark was at -

Hopefully she has a lot more in her future.

Laker - Looks like you had a decent race - Not sure what your goal was - But 3rd OA isn't too shabby.

Are you doing Boston again this year?

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Originally posted by RunForFun:
Hey Laker - Did you get Megan's background? I am a little suprised at 25 years old - running such a good race and not knowing were the trials qualifying mark was at -

Hopefully she has a lot more in her future.

Laker - Looks like you had a decent race - Not sure what your goal was - But 3rd OA isn't too shabby.

Are you doing Boston again this year?


Hey the runner formerly known as WIMTP,
She ran for New Hampshire, didn't seem to have a clue about the trials time when I asked her when she caught me, or that she had run very even splits when I brought it up after the race. As for me, I would say it was another solid but not outstanding race. I'll be in Boston again this spring for sure ( health be willing). Hope your training is going well, stay away from the Christmas cookies!

Docster, for some reason I just like the second half alot more. Seems more fair, the first half is cruel.

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Originally posted by crunningman:
That is pretty impressive. My fastest times are simliar to hers.17:23, 36:34, 1:22, but my marathon time sits at 2:54:22. That makes me wonder??????????? I don't doubt it can be done, but it seems as if something is up.

Here pace per event:
17:56 - 5:46/pace
36:49 - 5:55/pace
1:24 - 6:24/pace
2:45:04 - 6:18/pace

I don't buy it. If she looked fresh coming across the line then maybe there is a reason for it?

The guy who finished 1st (Mike Aldrink) is definitely the real deal. He usually finishes in the top 3 of "nearly every" race (marathon) he enters.


I don't see any anomaly in times here - I've never beat 17 in 5K or 36 in 10K - but consistently run mid 2:40s in maraton (and 2:41:58 a couple of weeks ago). You owe this runner an apology (if you can catch up with her).

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posted Dec-10-2007 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for crunningman   Click Here to Email crunningman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by rbbmoose:
I don't see any anomaly in times here - I've never beat 17 in 5K or 36 in 10K - but consistently run mid 2:40s in maraton (and 2:41:58 a couple of weeks ago). You owe this runner an apology (if you can catch up with her). Ray

I do agree my friend! No apology needed, but a correction for sure. There are those who are slower at the shorter distances, but continue to amaze at the longer distances. However, you and I both know that is rare.

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Way to go Travis,

I was really surprised to find out you were running this thing. It doesn't seem that long ago that you were running 20 mpw or less. How did you get in shape for this race? You could be dangerous if you trained more consistently.

Congratulations and a big PR. You can do a lot better than this too--I am sure.

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Way to go Travis,

I was really surprised to find out you were running this thing. It doesn't seem that long ago that you were running 20 mpw or less. How did you get in shape for this race? You could be dangerous if you trained more consistently.

Congratulations and a big PR. You can do a lot better than this too--I am sure.


Thanks Jim,

You are right it wasn't that long ago that I was under 20 mpw(6 weeks to be exact). I definitely didn't do it right but that was all I could really do with two young children. I basically just ramped straight to 30-40 and peeked around 50 mpw.

I am going to put in the correct training now and train for Myrtle Beach in the middle of February. I have no doubt that I will make the 3:10 there with proper training.

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posted Dec-11-2007 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JasonsDrivingForce     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by laker:
One thing I wanted to question about your race report: Did you really think that the second half was hillier than the first? You must have been delirious because the first half is much tougher. I really like the second half but am not real crazy about the first, too tough to put up a really fast time, and I've run Boston a bunch of times (generally regarded as a tough course). Anyway, congrats again on your race!


It all depends on how you define hilly. Is it "Total elevation change up and down" or by "How steep the hills are"? Personally I wouldn't mind if the course was one long shallow uphill for the first half and a slow decent for the second half.

I think the Charlotte course has nearly 3 times the elevation change in the first half. Therefore, it would definitely be hillier in the beginning if that is your definition. However, the steepest hills are around mile 17 and 24 and that is what did me in.

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Originally posted by JasonsDrivingForce:
It all depends on how you define hilly. Is it "Total elevation change up and down" or by "How steep the hills are"? Personally I wouldn't mind if the course was one long shallow uphill for the first half and a slow decent for the second half.

I think the Charlotte course has nearly 3 times the elevation change in the first half. Therefore, it would definitely be hillier in the beginning if that is your definition. However, the steepest hills are around mile 17 and 24 and that is what did me in.


Interesting. I know the hill at 24, but I can't remember one at 17 being out of the ordinary. Just shows that everyone is different. I love the second half, maybe it just flows better for me. Even a small hill will kill you if you're on the edge I guess. For me the hardest part in both 2006 & 2007 was the finishing hill, totally dead both years, just couldn't dig any deeper.

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Originally posted by laker:
Interesting. I know the hill at 24, but I can't remember one at 17 being out of the ordinary. Just shows that everyone is different. I love the second half, maybe it just flows better for me. Even a small hill will kill you if you're on the edge I guess. For me the hardest part in both 2006 & 2007 was the finishing hill, totally dead both years, just couldn't dig any deeper.

Check out the run report from my Garmin at the link above. There is definitely a steep hill between 17 and 18 and one just before 24 and 25. I had nothing left for the finish this year either. Ironically I had blasted a 7:03 last mile with a really good kick for the final quarter last year. However, the miles from 22 to 25 were what lead to me being 38 minutes slower last year.

Anyway you look at it that is a tough course.

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I can't seem to break 17 but run can run in the low 2:40's.
If I trained for a 5k that might be a different story. My half Marathon PR is 1:18 something.
I don't taper for the shorter ones. I'm guessing she doesn't.

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