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Movin' up to 800m

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sydewynder24
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posted Nov-29-2004 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sydewynder24     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey...

I'll be entering my senior year in track and I've decided to train for the 800m. Previously my best event was the 400m and my PR was 53.32 last season. I'm looking for advice on pre-indoor season training and ideas of what times I should be shooting for in a race. I'm a male, 17 years old, 6'1, and 165 lbs.

Right now I'm just trying to plug in some mileage, I started out last week with 20 miles and just finished my week tonight with 22.4 miles. I plan to increase the mileage by 10% until i hit 40 miles a week. Once the season gets closer I'll start with more interval and speed workouts. Is that a decent plan or am I missing something or crazy? I'd appreciate any help. Thanks!

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XsPrINT
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posted Nov-29-2004 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for XsPrINT   Click Here to Email XsPrINT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
definitely listen to other people before me since i do not have a great amount of knowledge..but i would think that it would not be necessary to do 40 mpw if you are training specifically for 800 meters. i would do less to lessen your chances of getting injury

ONCE AGAIN - only follow this advice if other people agree with me =P

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Mackdaddy
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posted Nov-29-2004 05:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mackdaddy   Click Here to Email Mackdaddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You should do ok with your plan 40 mile weeks may be a little low. But given that you mostlikely have a couple of weeks before the indoor season begins it is a good starting point. As it is an endurance sprint you will need a good endurance base before you start to drop your milage and increase the amount of speed work you will need for this event. Based on your 400m time you should be able to run under 2:00 with reletive ease. For your speed work early on you would be wise to do some over distance training say 3 X 1200m at mile pace or 4 - 5 X 1000m with 3 min active recovery these workouts will help you in coping with the distance and muscle fatigue you will encounter in racing the 800m . hope this is what you are looking for Best of luck
Mike M.

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Richard21142
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posted Nov-29-2004 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard21142     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sydewynder24:
I plan to increase the mileage by 10% until i hit 40 miles a week. Once the season gets closer I'll start with more interval and speed workouts. Is that a decent plan or am I missing something or crazy?

Your plan sounds decent. However, do some easy striders during the buildup to keep some speed in your legs.

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CoachB
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posted Nov-29-2004 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoachB   Click Here to Email CoachB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unless you are planning on moving up and doing the mile and 2 mile as well, you probably don't need to go all the way to 40 mpw (Sebastian Coe almost never went above 40).

I am guessing that you will probably run the 800 and the 4x400 and possibly the open 400 or a 4 x 800 relay. Maybe occasionally a 1600 or a 200 also?

Anyway, the type of aerobic strength you need for this event is not really best gained by running lots of slow miles. You would be better served by doing a lower volume of higher quality stuff. There are a couple of ways to go about it. Let me post what I do with my runners and what I have done in the past (my stuff is geared more for an 800-1600 type than a 400-800 type). Here is an older training plan that I have used in the past with a girl that was pretty successful at the 4 and 8 (59.95, 2:19.7)

This plan was used during february.

1. 3 x 200-150-100, 1 mile wu/cd
2. 3-5 miles, form runs 4x60, lift
3. 4x800 @ tempo pace(5:00 rec jog), 1 mile wu/cd
4. 3-5 easy, circuit
5. 6x100 (20-15), 2m. moderate, 6x100 (20-15),
6. Rest or cross Train
7. 4-6 easy
8. Road Intervals3x5min hard, 5 min easy, in 4 miler
9. 3-5 easy, form runs 6x40, circuit
10. 6x300/100 jog @ mile rp
11. 3-5 easy, lift
12. 500-400-300-200-100 @ 90%Equal rest jog
13. Rest or Cross Train
14. 4-6 easy miles

Lifting and circuit training is designed to enhance muscle endurance. High reps low to moderate weight, as little rest as possible between exercises

All runs indicated as faster than "easy" should be preceded and followed by at least 1 mile wu,and stretching and followed by the same.

The 6 x 100 (20-15) means that you run 6 x 100m with an easy jog back to the start of each rep. The first should be run in 20 sec then 19.... last one at 15. This is designed to get your body used to the idea of running progressively faster even as you tire. The paces are intentionally slow, however, you may want to go 19-14 seconds on yours.

As stated, this plan was used during february. The girl in question was playing b-ball at the time, so we didn't have a winter base period.

For your base period, I would do more or less the same thing that I've posted, however, the emphasis should be a little less on the real fast hard stuff (I would replace workout #1 and workout #12 with fartlek or tempo runs).

This year, the off season will be a little more geared toward the longer distances. Most of my 400-800 types are either playing hoop or wrestling right now. My other distance runners are more geared to the 800 and up.

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track girl
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posted Jan-04-2005 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for track girl   Click Here to Email track girl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,
I agree with most of the advice given.
However, I do feel you're coming at it from a different position, i.e. as a 400m runner. I think even in your base phase, you should try to stay close to your strength, which is your 400m speed.

I'm not sure from the post whether you've had a few month's break since the track season ended and have only just started back last week running 20 miles.

Either way, with your indoor track season starting soon, I think you should not stray too far away from speed - although most of your workouts need to be focusing on building up the miles and getting a base, I think introducing some kind of speedwork would be a good idea. Specifically, I think speed-endurance work such as reps of 400m-1000m would be beneficial rather than just base work (which I think is what you're doing now).

Good luck!

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