posted Oct-28-2006 05:37 PM               

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Originally posted by Chris345:
When it was working I didn't use any Lubricate. It just started acting up for the marathon last week when I used a ton of bodyglide. since then I have cleaned the strap thouroughly and tried just plain water.

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I'll frequently have problems if I don't use buh-bump. Sometimes
I have luck with dish soap or shampoo, but it's never as consistent.
Water will only work for me if it's really hot out and I start sweating
very early.

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posted Oct-29-2006 09:31 AM            

Is this to be expected? I've just begun running again after about a 1 year injury layoff. The basic concepts of MAF training are intrinsically appealing to me, especially the idea of building up miles at low risk.

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posted Oct-29-2006 10:23 AM               

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Originally posted by Jayhawk Ken:
I've noticed that over the course of a MAF session my pace needs to almost continuously decline in order to maintain my target HR. Is this typical? For example, once I stabilize at around 132 ~ 135 (about 7 or 8 minutes), within a mile or so the HR will climb up to 138 ~ 140. So I drop the pace on the treadmill a click or two. HR drops back, then begins climbing again. After 40 minutes I end up at a pace roughly 40 to 45 seconds slower than I started. The rate of decay seems generally linear, but the rate seems to increase after about 20 minutes or so.

Is this to be expected? I've just begun running again after about a 1 year injury layoff. The basic concepts of MAF training are intrinsically appealing to me, especially the idea of building up miles at low risk.

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Yes, this is completely normal. Assuming all environmental factors
remain the same, your heart rate will continuously climb throughout
a run and if you don't drink during the run, and especially if it's
warm and/or humid, then it will climb faster. What many of us do
is to target a pace much lower than the MAF target at the beginning
and basically maintain that pace so that the HR eventually hits
MAF at the end. One of the indications that you have reached a
high level of aerobic fitness is when your drift between the beginning
and end of the run has become very small. You'll notice on runs of
about 20 miles in warm weather, you'll likely hit a point between
about 14 and 18 miles in where it becomes tremendously difficult
to control heart rate. There's a fitness factor in there, but I believe
it is more to do with a level of dehydration you likely have reached,
around 3% body weight or so, where it causes your HR to storm up.

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posted Oct-29-2006 11:48 AM            

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Originally posted by leitnerj:
I'll frequently have problems if I don't use buh-bump. Sometimes
I have luck with dish soap or shampoo, but it's never as consistent.
Water will only work for me if it's really hot out and I start sweating
very early.

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Dish soap worked. I'll also try buh-bump. I thought it was a watch malfunction since it worked so well before. I guess it makes more sense that my skin looses conductivity when the humidity is lower as the temp gets cooler.

I was thinking about your comment about running down hill. This is a problem for me since I live near Chicago. I think more in terms of upwind and downwind.

I just started running on the treadmill and had a crazy thought. It might be possible to elevate the back end of the treadmill. My treadmill has an incline feature so it would be possible to level it out again during the run. Tell me why this is a stupid idea.

Chris

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posted Oct-29-2006 12:09 PM               

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Originally posted by Chris345:

I just started running on the treadmill and had a crazy thought. It might be possible to elevate the back end of the treadmill. My treadmill has an incline feature so it would be possible to level it out again during the run. Tell me why this is a stupid idea.

Chris

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Ok, so I'd better be careful here, or at least caveat with this to
say "I don't recommend you doing this, but ..." There was an
Olympic marathoner several years back who did every bit of his
training on the treadmill with the back propped up to make it
all downhill. He went on to win the Olympic trials race he was
in, but I don't know what happened in the Olympics. I use a
treadmill at the gym that has a decline that will go to -2%. I
periodically will run it at that setting. Some of the people
around me who I always see huffing and puffing like crazy
at 8 min/mile for 2-3 miles grabbing on for dear life and banging
the thing into the ground sometimes say that I'm cheating.
I'm fine with that.

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posted Oct-29-2006 04:35 PM            

I decided to post in this thread because I have been reading the thread for months and I think I am now ready to do some HR training. I have enjoyed seeing the mostly positive progress of the people who have tried the Maff method. I also have used the “slow down” advice and have found that my injuries are now gone. I used to train at pretty much race pace all the time, and had to deal with knee problems, shin splints, exhaustion, but these problems are now history since I slowed down. I have also seen my times improve. Most of the injuries happened when I was training for the first HM (see below).

Here is my running history thus far in order of when it happened
May: 10 mile race: 9min/mile
May 5K: 7:46 min/miles
June 10K: 8:30 min/miles
August: HM: 9:22 min miles
September 5K: 7:54 min miles
October HM: 8:51 min miles
October HM: 8:35 min/miles
October 5 mile: 8:02 min/miles

I am looking to improve my times through HR training. I have tried to do the Maff a few times, just going out and trying to run under my Maff. I have found it extremely difficult to keep my pace under my Maff even though I am running very slow.

I decided maybe I should try to find out what my MaxHR is. I ran the 5 mile today, and decided to take the HRM with me. I set my upper zone at 195(220-25). But the last two miles when I kicked into high gear, HRM was beeping the entire time (I ran the last 2 miles at 7min/miles). At the end, I didn’t feel that tired, but my Max HR was 208. Do you think this could be my true HR or it’s too high given that I was running under racing conditions? I was thinking of using the Max HR to create my zones for training, and train in the aerobic zone, which some books put at 65%-75% of Max HR. Do you think this could achieve the same goals as the Maff?

As for my training, I currently run about 35 miles a week, 3-4 days a week (every other day). On off days, I do Yoga. Do you think that I would accomplish the goal of building my aerobic base on this kind of plan? I have no problems doing long runs.

Thank you in advance for the advice.

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posted Oct-29-2006 05:07 PM            

The formula you gave is good for the general population. Half will be above that number and half below. For women the formula is actually 226- your age, 220 is for men. Many of us have heart beats up to 30 beats above or below the formula.

Chances are pretty good, that your actual max is a few beats above 208, but for now use 208 as your max until you see a higher number that you believe. ( Don't believe 240 or more as that is probably either interference from other electrical items or not good contact between your monitor and skin).

Yes your plan looks good. Maf calls for keeping all your exercise below the target rate, and depending on the type of yoga you do that might be easy or hard to do.

Welcome to the thread.

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posted Oct-29-2006 05:23 PM            

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Well, how about 23 mph winds with gusts to 36 at 8 am on Sunday . That 3:40 pace band I picked up at the expo this morning is looking ambitious

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posted Oct-29-2006 06:25 PM               

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Originally posted by ZimGrlRun:

I decided maybe I should try to find out what my MaxHR is. I ran the 5 mile today, and decided to take the HRM with me. I set my upper zone at 195(220-25). But the last two miles when I kicked into high gear, HRM was beeping the entire time (I ran the last 2 miles at 7min/miles). At the end, I didn’t feel that tired, but my Max HR was 208. Do you think this could be my true HR or it’s too high given that I was running under racing conditions? I was thinking of using the Max HR to create my zones for training, and train in the aerobic zone, which some books put at 65%-75% of Max HR. Do you think this could achieve the same goals as the Maff?

As for my training, I currently run about 35 miles a week, 3-4 days a week (every other day). On off days, I do Yoga. Do you think that I would accomplish the goal of building my aerobic base on this kind of plan? I have no problems doing long runs.

Thank you in advance for the advice.

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Sounds good. No doubt your max is 208 or higher. Mine is 210.
It sounds like your MAF would be 155, which would indeed be about
75% of your max heart rate (for most people it's going to be a much
lower percentage). You really don't need a lower limit during basebuilding.
The other thing is that you are on the young end of the age spectrum
for this approach. That just means that you may have to tweak things
around a bit in your training after you see how things go. There's no
doubt that this can work for you as long as you stick with it strictly.

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posted Oct-29-2006 06:29 PM               

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Originally posted by kcy1998:
I have finally returned. The last three weeks have been rough but I want to say thanks to Jesse, Jimmy and everyone else who has provided encouragement and great information on MAF. I ran Chicago as planned. I was running a 08:23 pace for the first 20.5 miles and then my calves knotted up and it was all over. It was the fastest 20.5 miles I have ever run and I did not bonk! I attribute this to the MAF training that I have been doing since January. I believe that the weather was a major factor in my calves knotting up. MAF allowed me to get to the 20.5 mile mark. A 03:39:xx was so close. TBecause of the success combined with Jesse running multiple back to back marthons I am going to run Richmond in 13 days. My goal is 03:39:xx. In the mean time I am running at MAF to keep everything in shape. I did 10 this morning and it felt great. I just want to relate a positive experience with MAF. From my perspective MAF has benefited me greatly. I will report back on the Richmond Marathon in a few weeks. IF anyone has any advice on how to train for a second marathon after a 20 mile run with a 10K jog/walk feel free to pass along the info. Once again thanks for all of the information that I have gleaned on this board.
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Sounds good - glad you felt good about where things were going
and that recovery is going well. To get in another marathon in
13 days, I would just take it easy until then, maybe get one more
run of 12-15 miles in when you're feeling fully recovered, but
other than that, you should be good to go. Good luck in Richmond.

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posted Oct-29-2006 07:56 PM               

I started running Summer 2003. I weighed 160 lbs and had been walking 10 - 12 miles per week. By Summer 2004, I was up to 20 miles per week and still weighed 160 lbs. Ran a half marathon October 2004 in 1:57, with the last six miles slower than the first six by seven seconds per mile. I finished with blisters, arch pain, and trashed quads.

After recovering from the race, I increased mileage to 30 miles per week, starting at 12 to 13 minutes per mile of run/walk, gradually increasing to 10 minutes per mile with no walking by spring 2005. I averaged 30 miles per week until my second half marathon in October 2005, by which time my weight was down to 152 lbs. I ran that half marathon in 1:55, with positive split of 5 seconds per mile for the last six miles. No physical problems afterward.

I rested until November, then was inspired by the first part of this opus (too big to be called a thread) into trying Maffetone. I set a target heart rate of 125 (180 - 53 + 5 = 132) and averaged 35 miles per week at 125 BPM.

Monthly average paces:
February 16.0 MPM
March 15.2 MPM
April 14.5 MPM
Ran a half marathon 4-22-05 in 2:00 with positive split of 1 second per mile. Had heavy legs for the entire race.
May 14.4 MPM
June 13.8 MPM
July 14.1 MPM
Did two tempo runs and one session of 800 M intervals during the second half of July.
August 13.0 MPM
September 12.8 MPM
Three tempo runs and one session of 800 M intervals in September. Weight 152 lbs.
Ran a half marathon in October in 1:56 with positive split of 17 seconds per mile while averaging 172 BPM and reaching 179 BPM near the end. Max heartrate was 184 on a hospital treadmill in 2003. Had leg and foot cramps afterward.

In all of the October half marathons, I felt healthy and ready to race. I felt sluggish before the April 2005 race, but that may have been caused by getting up at 5:00 AM and driving for an hour to get there. I finished all four races too tired to stand without leaning on somebody's shoulder.

I am now trying to figure out what to try next. I'm open to ideas.

Jim

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After recovering from the race, I increased mileage to 30 miles per week, starting at 12 to 13 minutes per mile of run/walk, gradually increasing to 10 minutes per mile with no walking by spring 2005. I averaged 30 miles per week until my second half marathon in October 2005, by which time my weight was down to 152 lbs. I ran that half marathon in 1:55, with positive split of 5 seconds per mile for the last six miles. No physical problems afterward.

I rested until November, then was inspired by the first part of this opus (too big to be called a thread) into trying Maffetone. I set a target heart rate of 125 (180 - 53 + 5 = 132) and averaged 35 miles per week at 125 BPM.

I am now trying to figure out what to try next. I'm open to ideas.

Jim

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Ultimately, you'll have to try to connect the pieces together
that you feel have worked for you into, well, something that
works for you as an integrated package. There's no doubt that
people under 25 and over 50 tend to require the most trial and
error to get something like this to work for them. Without a
finely detailed running history including all individual miles,
splits per mile, and so forth, I can only say "what I would
do," not necessarily what I would recommend you to do. And
that's this: 1. I would spend 10 weeks strictly below 127
and build up mileage to about 45/week, including a long run
working up 15 miles by about the 5th week. No anaerobic
activities whatsoever. 2. I would weigh
myself before and after every run to make sure I'm hydrating
properly. 3. I would track all mile splits and avg HR per split
to make sure there's enough feedback to work with. 4. I
would take in no carbs before or during any runs. 5. I would
make sure to get at least 10% of my mileage going downhills
where I speed up as needed to run at 127 (don't use downhills
for recovery). 6. After 10 weeks, I would plan a race every 2-3
weeks, between 5k and 10 miles, but still maintain all of my
training mileage below MAF. I wouldn't do any intervals at
all until I knew my endurance was fully developed. They do
very little good for someone who wants to run more 10 miles
until the endurance is there.

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posted Oct-29-2006 09:21 PM            

Bad day. I can't figure out how to explain it. Here's the splitsahol.

1) 9:16/158
2) 9:34/169
3) 8:54/169
4) 8:44/169
5) 9:14/169
6) 8:42/169
7-8) 17:28/169 (8:44)
9) 8:38/169
10) 8:39/169
11) 8:24/169
12) 8:31/170
13) 8:53/171
14) 8:29/171
15) 8:50/172
16) 8:43/173
17) 8:40/173
18) 8:48/174
19) 8:56/174
20) 9:27/175
21) 9:37/174
22) 9:36/176
23) 9:19/176
24) 9:25/178
25) 9:27/177
26) 9:46/178
26.2) 2:17/185

A week ago Saturday, I do a 9 mile warmup (under MAF) and run 3.5 miles at 7:50 pace and 170 bpm. Today 170 is worth at best 8:45 min/mi from the get go. I don't think I'm sick. I did 3 near identical 6-mile runs on Tu/We/Th this week at 9:35mm/140bpm, 9:33mm/139bpm, 9:35mm/141. Mr. Consistent. Today when it counted? Well, that's another story.

The *only* thing I can think of that's in common with MCM 05 and 06 (where I had another miserable effort) is my attempt to carbo load. Maybe I over did it. I also woke up and ate at 4:30 (race ended up starting at 8:35). I normally run on an empty stomach and have had some terrible runs in the afternoon after lunch. I don't know. I'm really grasping. I'm also not sure I'm really a "taper guy." I feel like such a slug by race day. Who knows.

Oh well, I considered giving up running altogether at about mile 22 and then realized I was running the Goofy Challenge at Disney in 10 weeks. Damn. By mile 23 I was thinking of doubling down in the NCR trail marathon that's in 4 weeks. I'll probably stick with my now tradition of trying to redeem myself from MCM in a Veterans Day 10K (if my plantar fasciitis is up to it).

I guess I should look on the bright side. My ridiculous mismatch between half and full marathons is a sign I can improve, right?

Greg

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So when I train under Maff, do I set any ranges? I would guess the upper zone would be 155. What would be the lower zone?

I have also noticed that sometimes my HRM loses a signal and goes to 0, nonetheless, in calculating the avg HR, it seems it includes the 0s in the calculation. Can I do anything about this?

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Thank you guys for the quick responses. I have done the calculation and 75% of my MaxHr of 208 is indeed 156 which is just 1beat more than my Maff. I am going to try the Maff training. I guess I have to be patient.

So when I train under Maff, do I set any ranges? I would guess the upper zone would be 155. What would be the lower zone?

I have also noticed that sometimes my HRM loses a signal and goes to 0, nonetheless, in calculating the avg HR, it seems it includes the 0s in the calculation. Can I do anything about this?

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You really don't need a low zone. Just set it for 20 beats or so
under. Just make sure you speed up
if you go down hills and don't just use them for recovery. Try an
electrode cream on your HR monitor, such as buh-bump - that will
help keep a consistent signal going, assuming your battery is not
worn.

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posted Oct-30-2006 07:11 AM               

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My MCM race report is here.

Bad day. I can't figure out how to explain it. Here's the splitsahol.

1) 9:16/158
2) 9:34/169
3) 8:54/169
4) 8:44/169
5) 9:14/169
6) 8:42/169
7-8) 17:28/169 (8:44)
9) 8:38/169
10) 8:39/169
11) 8:24/169
12) 8:31/170
13) 8:53/171
14) 8:29/171
15) 8:50/172
16) 8:43/173
17) 8:40/173
18) 8:48/174
19) 8:56/174
20) 9:27/175
21) 9:37/174
22) 9:36/176
23) 9:19/176
24) 9:25/178
25) 9:27/177
26) 9:46/178
26.2) 2:17/185

A week ago Saturday, I do a 9 mile warmup (under MAF) and run 3.5 miles at 7:50 pace and 170 bpm. Today 170 is worth at best 8:45 min/mi from the get go. I don't think I'm sick. I did 3 near identical 6-mile runs on Tu/We/Th this week at 9:35mm/140bpm, 9:33mm/139bpm, 9:35mm/141. Mr. Consistent. Today when it counted? Well, that's another story.

The *only* thing I can think of that's in common with MCM 05 and 06 (where I had another miserable effort) is my attempt to carbo load. Maybe I over did it. I also woke up and ate at 4:30 (race ended up starting at 8:35). I normally run on an empty stomach and have had some terrible runs in the afternoon after lunch. I don't know. I'm really grasping. I'm also not sure I'm really a "taper guy." I feel like such a slug by race day. Who knows.

Oh well, I considered giving up running altogether at about mile 22 and then realized I was running the Goofy Challenge at Disney in 10 weeks. Damn. By mile 23 I was thinking of doubling down in the NCR trail marathon that's in 4 weeks. I'll probably stick with my now tradition of trying to redeem myself from MCM in a Veterans Day 10K (if my plantar fasciitis is up to it).

I guess I should look on the bright side. My ridiculous mismatch between half and full marathons is a sign I can improve, right?

Greg

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Congratulations on a marathon and course PR! I imagine that a PR was one of your 3 goals. So, I believe you should be a little bit more positive.
You cut 54 minutes off last years time at MCM.

Looking at your splits, I see no attempt to run the pace you wanted to achieve (8:05-8:15ish). I believe that is because you went by your HRM, and didn't just go out there and go for the pace you saw that you could do in training. One reason I don't like using a HRM in races is because I believe there is an excitement factor mixed in that raises your heart rate on race day. I'll use the HRM in training, and use it to establish a goal pace for the race, make a pace plan, then follow it. I wore a HRM at Sugaloaf to gather data, and I have to tell you that thing made it mentally harder for me when it looked like my HR was high in the last 6 miles. Trying to ignore it wasn't easy. I'm not wearing it at Philly.

I suggest that next marathon, try not wearing your HRM, trust and follow a pace plan that you established in training using the HRM.

Lastly, nice work, Greg. You worked really hard, and even though it seemed like you had a bad day relative to a dream goal, you made a PR man! Yes! Awesome!

Keep going!

--Jimmy

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Originally posted by jjwaverly42:

I suggest that next marathon, try not wearing your HRM, trust and follow a pace plan that you established in training using the HRM.

Lastly, nice work, Greg. You worked really hard, and even though it seemed like you had a bad day relative to a dream goal, you made a PR man! Yes! Awesome!

Keep going!

--Jimmy

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Thanks Jimmy. Your "of glycogen may there be no lack" poem made me smile and I thought about having "the time of my life" during the race. I think you're wrong about the heart rate monitor though. If anything it was probably leaving my tinfoil hat in the car.

My PF has already recovered better than I thought (I was wondering if I needed a cane yesterday afternoon) and I'll probably be able to run a revenge 10K in a few weeks. This is nothing that can't be cured with more mileage

Good luck in Philly!

Greg

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Looking at your splits, I see no attempt to run the pace you wanted to achieve (8:05-8:15ish). I believe that is because you went by your HRM, and didn't just go out there and go for the pace you saw that you could do in training. One reason I don't like using a HRM in races is because I believe there is an excitement factor mixed in that raises your heart rate on race day. I'll use the HRM in training, and use it to establish a goal pace for the race, make a pace plan, then follow it. I wore a HRM at Sugaloaf to gather data, and I have to tell you that thing made it mentally harder for me when it looked like my HR was high in the last 6 miles. Trying to ignore it wasn't easy. I'm not wearing it at Philly.

I suggest that next marathon, try not wearing your HRM, trust and follow a pace plan that you established in training using the HRM.

Lastly, nice work, Greg. You worked really hard, and even though it seemed like you had a bad day relative to a dream goal, you made a PR man! Yes! Awesome!

Keep going!

--Jimmy

Hi Everyone~~

I STILL haven't purchased my HR/speed/distance watch yet.

I have been reading reviews about Polar and Garmin. I see all your MAFF tests with HR, and miles, some pace as well. I'm curious your brand of watches?

I'm learning that with Polar r200sd, and s625x, that you need a *microphone* (something for the computer??) to get the results of average HR per mile....and show each mile. Here I get confused.

Garmin 305, I think you just turn it on and it show how many miles you are going, HR, and pace. Then you can down load all your stuff.

I just want to make sure I'm making the BEST decision for me. The major thing I want is to know distance, cause I run routes that I don't know the mileage. I want the watch to tell me, when I'm finished running the Ave. HR for each mile.

So, if all you Maffers can share your favorite HR/Speed/distance monitor, I would love it~~~

Thanks, Kris

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Looking at your splits, I see no attempt to run the pace you wanted to achieve (8:05-8:15ish). I believe that is because you went by your HRM, and didn't just go out there and go for the pace you saw that you could do in training. One reason I don't like using a HRM in races is because I believe there is an excitement factor mixed in that raises your heart rate on race day. I'll use the HRM in training, and use it to establish a goal pace for the race, make a pace plan, then follow it. I wore a HRM at Sugaloaf to gather data, and I have to tell you that thing made it mentally harder for me when it looked like my HR was high in the last 6 miles. Trying to ignore it wasn't easy. I'm not wearing it at Philly.

I suggest that next marathon, try not wearing your HRM, trust and follow a pace plan that you established in training using the HRM.

Lastly, nice work, Greg. You worked really hard, and even though it seemed like you had a bad day relative to a dream goal, you made a PR man! Yes! Awesome!

Keep going!

--Jimmy

Hi Everyone~~

I STILL haven't purchased my HR/speed/distance watch yet.

I have been reading reviews about Polar and Garmin. I see all your MAFF tests with HR, and miles, some pace as well. I'm curious your brand of watches?

I'm learning that with Polar r200sd, and s625x, that you need a *microphone* (something for the computer??) to get the results of average HR per mile....and show each mile. Here I get confused.

Garmin 305, I think you just turn it on and it show how many miles you are going, HR, and pace. Then you can down load all your stuff.

I just want to make sure I'm making the BEST decision for me. The major thing I want is to know distance, cause I run routes that I don't know the mileage. I want the watch to tell me, when I'm finished running the Ave. HR for each mile.

So, if all you Maffers can share your favorite HR/Speed/distance monitor, I would love it~~~

Thanks, Kris

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This site has a ridiculous level of detail on the subject of distance accuracy.

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I just want to make sure I'm making the BEST decision for me. The major thing I want is to know distance, cause I run routes that I don't know the mileage. I want the watch to tell me, when I'm finished running the Ave. HR for each mile.
Kris,
I love my 305 and can't imagine training or racing without it. I love that it gives me my pace and HR splits.

Jimmy,
I always wear mine during a race because it gives me my pace/splits. I usually don't monitor the HR during a race but like to have that info to record after the race. I will say the HR was beneficial to have during my half marathon last Sunday. I had hoped to get below 1:40:00 for the race. It was an out and back on a causeway over open water in Corpus Christi, Tx. On race day a norther was blowing with winds of 25mph and gusts to 35. My time goal and even pacing had to be thrown out the window. I decided to try to run into the wind at about 8:15 pace and turn it on after the turn around. It was brutal. When I turned I did the first mile in 7:30 and it was easy. I realized that I was going to fly back but didn't want to scare myself by seeing the pace. I switched over to HR and kept it in the high 170's, creeping into the low 180's the last few miles. My max is 204. The 7:30 was the slowest for the last 7 miles and I finished the race with a 7:00 and a 6:47. I ran a 1:42 and was satisfied with that time. I think I probably would have backed off the pace if I had seen what I was running.

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posted Oct-30-2006 11:04 AM               

I just want to make sure I'm making the BEST decision for me. The major thing I want is to know distance, cause I run routes that I don't know the mileage. I want the watch to tell me, when I'm finished running the Ave. HR for each mile.
Kris,
I love my 305 and can't imagine training or racing without it. I love that it gives me my pace and HR splits.

Jimmy,
I always wear mine during a race because it gives me my pace/splits. I usually don't monitor the HR during a race but like to have that info to record after the race. I will say the HR was beneficial to have during my half marathon last Sunday. I had hoped to get below 1:40:00 for the race. It was an out and back on a causeway over open water in Corpus Christi, Tx. On race day a norther was blowing with winds of 25mph and gusts to 35. My time goal and even pacing had to be thrown out the window. I decided to try to run into the wind at about 8:15 pace and turn it on after the turn around. It was brutal. When I turned I did the first mile in 7:30 and it was easy. I realized that I was going to fly back but didn't want to scare myself by seeing the pace. I switched over to HR and kept it in the high 170's, creeping into the low 180's the last few miles. My max is 204. The 7:30 was the slowest for the last 7 miles and I finished the race with a 7:00 and a 6:47. I ran a 1:42 and was satisfied with that time. I think I probably would have backed off the pace if I had seen what I was running.

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posted Oct-30-2006 11:15 AM               

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