posted Oct-21-2007 08:36 AM            

Grandmas - 6/16
RunForFun - 2:47 2:50:00

Foot Traffic Flat - 7/4
bhearn - 3:12 3:20:31

San Francisco - 7/29
Dr. Wu - 3:35 3:48:08

Lehigh River Relay - 9/9
loopy - 2:59:59 3:02:50

Adirondack - 9/16
Dr. Wu - 3:35 3:39:14

Omaha - 9/23
Travis Hubbard - 2:45-2:50
tonya921 - 3:39:59 3:22:40

Akron 9/29
mrinertia - 3:59:59 4:52:02

Toronto Waterfront - 9/30
DanMoriarity - 2:59:59 3:00:10.3

Berlin
uli - 2:36 2:39

St. George - 10/06
Johnny J - 2:59:59 2:44

Chicago - 10/07
AndyHass - 2:28:38 - scrapped - life got in the way
jakey - 3:15
JSM - 2:22 DNF to compete later
jtv - 3:15 4:43
sack77 - 3:59:59 4:49
tramirez - 2:59:59
92heelgrad - 3:20 3:30:23

Lakefront - 10/7
RunForFun - 2:44 - out for injury

Mohawk Hudson Marathon - 10/7
Dr. Wu - 3:24:59 3:29:05

Portland (OR) - 10/7
Zoomharp 3:59 4:17
bhearn - 3:10 3:08:50

Sacramento - 10/7
GoDawgGo - 2:59:59 3:01:37

Steamtown - 10/7
runawayjesse - 3:25 3:50:47
willamona - 3:45 4:08
rootsrunner - 3:03-3:08 3:16:27

Twin Cities - 10/7
joplus - 3:09:59 DNF to compete later
runninlaw - 3:25 3:53:27
doctster - 3:15:59 3:23
Fast Like the Wind - training run DNF to compete later
stepstep - 3:00 3:28

Baystate - 10/14
joev9 - 3:15:59 3:23:01
Gazelle2007 - 3:10:00 3:11:17

Long Beach, CA - 10/14
DAVIDR262 -3:20
arc918 -3:20

Newport - 10/20
wheaton - 3:10?
Penikese - 3:10 3:08:41

Columbus - 10/21
thereshegoes - 3:09:59 3:10:15
Mailbox Head - 3:09:59 3:39:33
eyates73 - 3:10

Des Moines - 10/21
bowulf - 3:55:00 4:34:48
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UP NEXT:

Eurasia - 10/28
oguzkesimli - 3:05

Cape Cod 10/28
maratacious - 2:50

Grand Rapids - 10/28
corland14 - 3:40-3:45
rootsrunner - 3:05
runninlaw - 3:25-3:30

Marine Corps - 10/28
Fast Like the Wind - 3:30
Shera2316 - 3:59:59
tss1202 - finish/TBD
gregw - 3:15:59
willamona - pacer - time unknown

Dublin - 10/29
deco - 3:00
uli f - 2:36 - out rocked a 2:39 at Berlin

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DOWN THE PIPELINE:

Elyria - 11/4
cowardlylion - 3:15:59

Manchester marathon - 11/4
roadrunner262 - 2:30 - 2:40
cookie74 - 3:45

New York - 11/4
Warrior1971 - 2:27:59
teek - no goal stated
BrianMcN - 2:39

Richmond - 11/10
HOSS1961 - 3:50:00
goldpoint - no goal stated

Philly - 11/18
dzillas - 3:15
Schnakees - 2:55
Dr. Wu - 3:24:59
rbbmoose - 2:45
wayfool - 2:55
jtv - 3:15

Memphis - 12/1
spkoest - 3:08:00

California International 12/2
afletche - no goal yet - scrapped until London in spring

Tuscon - 12/2
Downhill Racer - 3:10-3:17

Huntsville - 12/8
tuscaloosarunner - TBD - scrapped due to injury

Jacksonville - 12/16
joplus - 3:10
JSM - 2:26-2:28

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posted Oct-21-2007 08:50 AM            

I'm shipping up to Boston...

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posted Oct-21-2007 09:58 AM            

I thought I might run into you, but I see now that Newport Marathon = Newport Oregon, and I ran Newport RI (Breakers Marathon).

My week:

M: off
Tu: 5 recovery
W: 5 recovery
Th: off
Fr: off
Sa: Breakers Marathon, Newport, RI, 3:19:10.

I'm pretty happy with that. I went into it thinking 3:20 - 3:30, depending on how I was feeling. It was very humid, but not too warm. Turned out to be a relatively tough course, with lots of big hills late. I went out a little faster than planned... must have left my Garmin turned on in my bag; the battery was dead in the morning. So I ran with an analog wristwatch, making pacing a bit hit-or-miss. But I never piled up more than a couple minutes cushion on 3:20 pace, and that cushion came in handy on the hills. No negative split this time!

Edit - extra brag - my wife won a half today! 1:42:19, 1/61 F, 20/132 OA. On trails, yet! See, I always say my wife is the real runner in the family.

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posted Oct-21-2007 10:06 AM               

'round here summer weather keeps hanging on...

M: AM 7mi (9:03), PM 4mi (8:47), some sharp knee pain
T: 7mi including 3mi alternating-800s workout; goal 3:35/3:15, actual 3:30/3:14. Knee much better.
W: 8mi (8:35)
R: 9mi (8:50)
F: 8mi (8:42)
Sa: 7mi (9:06)
Su: 17mi (7:30)

total: 67 miles

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posted Oct-21-2007 10:52 AM            

Monday - 10@8:31/mile
Tuesday - 10@7:44/mile
Wednesday - 8 @7:50/mile
Thursday - 14.6@7:05/mile - 10 MP miles in 6:20s
Friday - 8@8:26/mile
Saturday - 9@8:14/mile
Sunday - 21@6:30/mle - last 5 6:10ish...

Ray

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posted Oct-21-2007 12:11 PM               

Su: 7 miles ez
M: 4 ez (with 4x strides)
Tu: 9 miles, with 3mi at I-pace (6x800m; with 400m recovery jogs) ;
Cycle 10
W: 5 ez
Th: 6 ez on trails
F: Cycle 10
Sat: 7 ez (with 6x strides); Cycle 14
Sun: 9.5 with 5k race (18:58)

Totals:
Run 38
Cycle 34

In the past, I've had some relative success re-running the marathon in three weeks time. Not sure how it will fare this go-around, but I'm grinding it out. Counting a 5km race this morning I've managed to get two quality workouts this week.

I slugged through Tuesday's interval workout. Although the legs were still a bit heavy, I was happy with all 800s in 2:55-3:00. The goal was to run some I-pace intervals in prep for the 5k.

Today's race was less than ideal course and wind, but I got another good workout. The last mile was cruel - uphill and upwind - so I got to suffer through several minutes of good oxygen debt.

All-in-all, a good week and ready to put forth another marathon effort. Hope to meet runninlaw at the start or finish of the race.

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posted Oct-21-2007 01:19 PM            

Good luck also to everyone up this coming weekend!

bhearn - holy cow that is awesome! You are a machine these days!! It gives me hope too that racing so much isn't completely insane.

Mid week I switched gears from recovery to training. I decided to jump aboard the Grand Rapids Marathon in hopes to get something out of all the fitness I built up. Since I shut down Twin Cities after 16-17 miles, I felt really good post-marathon. I decided to also use the last 2 weeks of Pfitz's multiple marathons 4 weeks apart. I cut it back just a bit and I plan to cut back a whole lot next week. Next week is REST REST REST. This marathoning 3 weeks apart is new territory for me so I don't know what to expect. But I am looking forward to giving it a shot.

M - rest/pilates

T - 5 progressive (8:43 - first mile 9:33, last mile 7:17) / pilates / upper body weights

W - 15 (9:08)

R - rest / pilates - piriformis and hammy in R leg felt tight

F - 8 (9:05) / pilates

Sa - 5 recovery (10:13) / pilates

Su - 10 (9:29) - easy run with DH. It was insanely windy. Piriformis feeling better, but still tighter than I would like.

Total=43 miles

If I can get the piriformis to calm down, I'll be at the start line in Grand Rapids. It seems to be improving, but I'll make the final decision on Wednesday. I'm not going to try this crazy thing if I feel the risk of injury is too high. But so far I am no more beat up than I was a week out from TCM and I felt awesome by race day for that one.

If anyone has advice for marathons so close together (3 weeks), I'd really appreciate it.

Rootsrunner - let's definitely try to meet up.

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posted Oct-21-2007 01:33 PM            

• Mo: 4.5 (9:06/133) - grass
• Tu: 10.2 (8:47/146) - 6x0.5 w/ 0.5 rest: 3:17, 3:13, 3:11, 3:09, 3:11, and 3:11. Way, way faster than I've ever done them. Am I really faster or is it just the weather (47 degrees)? Last week I did these in 3:18-3:21. After this workout I really felt like 3:15 shape. Previously I felt like I couldn't run these at 3:15 (like yasso would say) if I fell out of a plane.
• We: 4.7 (8:46/138) - road
• Th: 13.4 (8:15/148) - Progression run to work. 6 @ 9:00/138bpm then 8:11/149, 7:49/152, 7:52/154, 7:34/157, 7:07/163 (downhill), 7:24/152 (downhill), 7:37/163 (big uphill). Great to see the 7:07 at well below marathon heart rate. I'm going to need to make up time on the downhills early in the race.
• Fr: 4.2 (9:26/133) - grass
• Sa: 4.6 (8:56/138) - road
• Su: 13.5 (8:48/145) - lake trail loops. Bad run. I did exactly the pace I wanted, but my hr was much too high at the end for the pace. Mile 13 was 8:45/155 bpm compared to 8:21/154 last week when it was cooler and 8:31/155 two weeks ago when it was warmer and *much* more humid.
  

Everything looked great for 3:15 this week until today. Today was a reminder that I not only need to have good weather, but I also need to have a good day in order to make it. I think I ate too much junk yesterday. Perhaps that had something to do with it? Ah, taper madness.

week: 55.0 miles, 8h1m, 8:45 avg pace, 143 avg hr

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posted Oct-21-2007 04:21 PM               

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A good week for me...I feel like I may be ready for a good run @Philly
80.8 miles total

Monday - 10@8:31/mile
Tuesday - 10@7:44/mile
Wednesday - 8 @7:50/mile
Thursday - 14.6@7:05/mile - 10 MP miles in 6:20s
Friday - 8@8:26/mile
Saturday - 9@8:14/mile
Sunday - 21@6:30/mle - last 5 6:10ish...

Ray

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Wow. Quite a week, Ray. Are you on a "2 big workouts" schedule? By the looks of this you are. Nice and easy on the easy days, but monster big days.

Stay healthy--good luck in Philly!

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posted Oct-21-2007 05:04 PM            

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If anyone has advice for marathons so close together (3 weeks), I'd really appreciate it.

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Looks to me like you have the situation well in hand. The only thing I could suggest is seeing a physiotherapist about the piriformis.

I see mine every once in a while even when everything seems to be working properly; my pelvis tends to get slightly out of alignment over time.

I guess the other consideration is that pace selection will be difficult. You won't be running at optimal marathon fitness. But with the kind of training you are doing, you might be close.

Good luck!

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bhearn - holy cow that is awesome! You are a machine these days!! It gives me hope too that racing so much isn't completely insane.

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Well... there is a reason we're called Maniacs... actually I'm about as sane (= wimpy) as the Maniacs get. A lowly one-star. And you won't see many PRs in those back-to-back-to-back marathons many of them run.

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posted Oct-21-2007 05:51 PM               

If nothing else you are in better mental shape now, having that 16mi race pace run under your belt. I think you'll be surprised at the outcome. I imagine you'll be able to apply perfect amount of patience in the first 1/2 to 2/3 of the race before unleashing a final 10km that you've never seen before.

I can dream for you, eh?

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posted Oct-21-2007 06:35 PM            

Had a nasty cold at the beginning of the week, so my recovery from last weekend's HM turned out to be much lighter than I expected. Good thing it fell on a recovery week! I'm finally feeling almost normal, and today's workout felt really good. Just in time for my last 3 weeks of training before the taper.

M: off
T: off
W: off
Th: 5 easy (8:27)
F: 3.5 am, 3.5 pm easy (~8:30 each)
Sa: 6 easy (8:20)
S: 15.2 m (7:53)

Total: 33.2 - bleah

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posted Oct-21-2007 07:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Jim24315:
Wow. Quite a week, Ray. Are you on a "2 big workouts" schedule? By the looks of this you are. Nice and easy on the easy days, but monster big days.

Stay healthy--good luck in Philly!

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Yup - I'm not working directly with the Tinman, but I've adopted the 2 big workout strategy - which seems to suit me well. - Biggest difference is my slow days are slower, but I feel great for the big workouts. - when I was attempting three workouts a week, I never felt fresh for the weekday workouts.
Staying healthy will be key for me...

Thanks,
Ray

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posted Oct-21-2007 07:38 PM            

I'll write more later. Now an ice bath...

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posted Oct-21-2007 08:36 PM               

Goal: New York 2:39

M: 15 in 1:53
T: 8 in 1:08
W AM: 8 in 1:01
PM: 1 hour water running
T: 20 in 2:25
F: off
S: 4.5 mile "warm up" 6.5 mile relay leg at Breakers Marathon 5:53 pace 4 mile "cool down" Feeling a bit tired from 20 on Th.
S: 5k race pacing my 7 year old daughter. She ran so fast that I had to log it in. 29:49 for her first ever 5k. She talked the whole way. Highlight of my week.

Total for week: 69 miles. The taper has begun.

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posted Oct-21-2007 09:01 PM            

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3:10:15. I was on pace for a 3:03-3:05 and bam the wind and then at 19.5 the predictible excrutiating side stitch that I had to embarrassingly battle throughout the last 10k. Just frustrating. I am not unhappy with the time at all, I am unhappy I wasn't able to race the last 10k like I've trained my butt off to do. Oh well. Onward and upward. Hope others fared better!!!

I'll write more later. Now an ice bath...

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Stupid side stitch! Ack! I hate those! Last summer they were my nemesis for some reason.... They suck.

All that aside, congrats on a very strong race! I had been tracking you in the am and saw that you went out so smart...nice job controlling the get-go. Then at the half and the 20 you looked so strong. Sorry you lost a bit of time at the end - but not too much all things considered (creeping heat, wind and your stitch).

3:10 is awesome. Congratulations on a big fat PR and a win in your AG I see - 11th woman o/a is pretty damn awesome too out of 1300ish. Recover well and get ready to enjoy all the good stuff ahead of you in the coming months!!

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posted Oct-21-2007 09:24 PM               

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3:10:15. I was on pace for a 3:03-3:05 and bam the wind and then at 19.5 the predictible excrutiating side stitch that I had to embarrassingly battle throughout the last 10k. Just frustrating. I am not unhappy with the time at all, I am unhappy I wasn't able to race the last 10k like I've trained my butt off to do. Oh well. Onward and upward. Hope others fared better!!!

I'll write more later. Now an ice bath...

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Not quite as fast as you were hoping, but still a very nice time on a day when things didn't go your way. You showed a lot of mental toughness to hang in there with that side stitch. I think you will be a lot happier when you realize what you have accomplised. First out of 200 plus in your AG and 11th overall out of more than 1300 women speaks volumes.

Well done!

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posted Oct-21-2007 09:27 PM            

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good job penikese and bhearn! I can't wait to find out how everyone else did.

'round here summer weather keeps hanging on...

M: AM 7mi (9:03), PM 4mi (8:47), some sharp knee pain
T: 7mi including 3mi alternating-800s workout; goal 3:35/3:15, actual 3:30/3:14. Knee much better.
W: 8mi (8:35)
R: 9mi (8:50)
F: 8mi (8:42)
Sa: 7mi (9:06)
Su: 17mi (7:30)

total: 67 miles

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I'm curious, Joplus...why was your long run the fastest of the week overall? Did you negative split it, or just pace it that fast from the start?

Penikese, bhearn, and thereshegoes...nice job! (sorry if I missed the others!)

Thereshegoes...I had a nasty stich during my marathon in April. I walked through the last water stop, which is the only time I've walked in a race that I can recall. It was brutal. Nonetheless, you have some very races in your future no doubt!

My 2nd week after the Twin Cities mini-inferno:

47 miles over 7 days. 10 miles today nice and easy with coworkers. My hamstrings are still a bit fatigued, so I'm resting tomorrow and hopefully doing some core and hammy exercises.

Next week I hope to add one day of speedwork late in the week. If my legs aren't up to it, then I'll add a few more easy miles. (65 to 70% max HR)

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posted Oct-22-2007 12:13 AM            

Penikese-- awesome first marathon. Seriously.

rbbmoose-- I'd have to concur wholeheartedly based on that mid week run and that smokin' long run this week that you're setting up nicely for a great race. Taper smart!

gregw-- bad long runs crop up from time to time in training-- who can ever put a finger on the reasons? No worries. Stick to the plan and with the taper, proper rest and carb-loading, you'll have a great run come marathon day.

thereshegoes-- way to fight through. Side stitches are nothing to snub your nose at. Holding it together and finishing as highly ranked in the field as you did-- superb! And yes, your training has been killer all summer.

Brian McN-- congratulations to you and your daughter! Brings back fond memories of my sons first around that age. Yeah, it's a better feeling than doing well yourself in a race.

My week--- finally starting to get back into running a bit--

20 miles on 3 x 4.5, 1 x 6.5 mile runs-- starting getting legs back and anxious to RUN, and ran very hard Fartlek type thing chasing some dogs just having fun, and pulled a groin muscle. So I've laid up for 3 days now.

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I was running great the whole race. Every split time listed had me right on pace, and I felt great doing it. Didn't even feel any signs of fatigue til about 17 or so miles in. Then around 22 when I was really starting to get optimistic about my chances, my quads just gave up. Everything else still felt just fine, I had plenty of energy and nothing else was sore, but every step I tried to run from there on out the pounding on my quads was just too much. Had to go through 3 embarrassing walk/jog miles that were the most frustrating of my life. Then with a mile to go, my dad came back and brought me in, so I decided not to worry about doing lasting damage, and ran it in from there.
Not at all what I was hoping for 3:39:33. I'm pretty sure it wasn't cramps, just seems like I've learned that my quads are my weak point, and I'll have to really work on strenghtening them before I avenge myself next year. It's just frustrating that this never popped up during my training once.

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Guess I've got to report failure here. First off- nice job thereshegoes. I know you're not happy with it, but you were at least awfully close to your original goal time.

I was running great the whole race. Every split time listed had me right on pace, and I felt great doing it. Didn't even feel any signs of fatigue til about 17 or so miles in. Then around 22 when I was really starting to get optimistic about my chances, my quads just gave up. Everything else still felt just fine, I had plenty of energy and nothing else was sore, but every step I tried to run from there on out the pounding on my quads was just too much. Had to go through 3 embarrassing walk/jog miles that were the most frustrating of my life. Then with a mile to go, my dad came back and brought me in, so I decided not to worry about doing lasting damage, and ran it in from there.
Not at all what I was hoping for 3:39:33. I'm pretty sure it wasn't cramps, just seems like I've learned that my quads are my weak point, and I'll have to really work on strenghtening them before I avenge myself next year. It's just frustrating that this never popped up during my training once.

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Mailbox Head, Sorry to hear about your guads. Crazy thing for it to pop up at the end of the race despite no previous problems. Maybe you were dehydrated? Heat issues? Whatever it was, sorry to hear that it zapped you after such a great start. I know that if I hit mile 22 like that I would think it was smooth sailing in too. With that said, I'd hardly call what you did a failure. You stuck it out and finished it depite very tough conditions. You never know what is going to happen come race day. you worked hard and you didn't give up. You should be proud of your hard training and your awesome effort on race day. I look forward to the full report. Recover well!!

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Guess I've got to report failure here. First off- nice job thereshegoes. I know you're not happy with it, but you were at least awfully close to your original goal time.

I was running great the whole race. Every split time listed had me right on pace, and I felt great doing it. Didn't even feel any signs of fatigue til about 17 or so miles in. Then around 22 when I was really starting to get optimistic about my chances, my quads just gave up. Everything else still felt just fine, I had plenty of energy and nothing else was sore, but every step I tried to run from there on out the pounding on my quads was just too much. Had to go through 3 embarrassing walk/jog miles that were the most frustrating of my life. Then with a mile to go, my dad came back and brought me in, so I decided not to worry about doing lasting damage, and ran it in from there.
Not at all what I was hoping for 3:39:33. I'm pretty sure it wasn't cramps, just seems like I've learned that my quads are my weak point, and I'll have to really work on strenghtening them before I avenge myself next year. It's just frustrating that this never popped up during my training once.

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Frustrating-- but, it happens. For next time-- more long runs in the hills in training and those quad problems will be a thing of the past.

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