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laker
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 posted May-02-2007 01:40 PM
  
Joev9,
My posting where I placed in Boston was only to demonstrate that an age group placing is often irrelevant to where you actually finish. I am not overly proud of where I finished, but certainly don't want people to think I finished higher than I did. My opinion is you're a big puss for ducking the competition with the hope of grabbing an arbitrary "age group" award. You think I'm an A-hole. I guess we'll both survive.
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joev9
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posted May-02-2007 02:16 PM
The a-hole thing was heat of the moment, truth is, you would probably make a good coach. truce accepted...(now, watch this, i will probably get my butt kicked in the "easy" race on saturday...)
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mainers
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posted May-02-2007 03:35 PM
has peace broken out?maybe Joe has gone off to win an easier argument? (JOKING)
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thereshegoes
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posted May-02-2007 03:40 PM
Awww. I think I might cry.
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Dakota Ridgerunner
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posted May-02-2007 04:21 PM
I'm glad to see peace has broken out here, but I'd still like to add my 2 cents.It's call cherry picking, and even the pros do it. Last year, my wife decided to try for her elite off-road triathlon license. To qualify, you must place top 10 overall and within 10% of the winner's time at a race with at least 200 competitors. And you have to do this at three races. She looked around and found a couple of smaller races to enter that fit the bill. Well, she ended up winning the first one. That gave her confidence, so she won the second one, too. After winning her THIRD consecutive race, she signed up for a big one. The confidence she gained from winning those smaller races served her well, and -- you guessed it -- she won that one, too! She earned her pro license, of course. But interestingly, she felt a little sheepish about "cherry picking" those qualifying races. But the thing is (this being Boulder, CO), there is never a guarantee that worthy competition won't show up at even the smallest race. And in fact, that did happen at all her races...none were "easy wins." And after talking to some other local pros, she learned that THEY cherry picked races when trying to qualify as well. Pro or not, there's absolutely no shame in entering the occasional race where you have a good chance to do well overall. If you're accustomed to winning every race, however, I think it's time to step it up to regional or national level competition. ------------------
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spankee
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posted May-02-2007 04:37 PM
I wandered over from the Boomer forum, when suddenly I saw a fight breaking out. Being a good Canadian, I wanted to drop my hockey stick and gloves and join in the brawl (afterall that is how we played hockey in the old days) but decided not to get involved (probably for fear of getting a too many men on the ice penalty) Glad to see people seem to be moving on.Long way of saying, I would also like to break 40 minutes in the 10K. I train mostly for marathons and half marathons, running 3:21 and 1:29:40 last year respectively. Last year I did two 10 ks--both under 41 minutes but never hitting the magic mark. Have a 10 k this weekend where I will give it a shot, and perhaps another on Canada Day, July 1st. In marathon recovery mode so not really tuned up for this weekend but will see. For the schedule put me down for: 01/07 spankee HBC Canada Day Run Ottawa I suppose the question for me is how to train for reaching a under 40 10k target, while training and running marathons. Good luck everyone in reaching your goals....and may you find peace and harmony in your running. [This message has been edited by spankee (edited May-03-2007).]
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laker
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posted May-03-2007 03:10 PM
First off I want to apologize for hijacking this thread. secondly, truce sounds good Joe. thirdly I want to clarify where I stand on age group awards: I love em for 19 and under and 40 and over, everyone else should just be open because there is no inherent disadvantage. I judge my races on how I compete and time, you can't control who else comes to race or how fast they run, so when I win an age group award it is most times irrelevant. The joy comes from the quest for achievment. The reason I pop into this thread now and then is to see how people are doing on their quest. Continued good luck to everyone!!!!!!!
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Jim24315
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posted May-06-2007 10:48 AM
Now that the smoke has cleared...I’ve watching this past week, but unable to come up with any words. My feeling is that people should be able to do whatever it is that makes them happy, as long as they don’t hurt anyone else in the process. I’m glad that everyone was able to make peace. It’s been a tough week for me following a disappointing 5k (19:55) last Sunday and having to scratch out of yesterday’s half marathon that I was so much looking forward to. I came down with some kind of virus before the 5k but unwisely ran anyway. After taking Monday off the fever I’d had lifted, so I decided to try short, easy runs the rest of the week, hoping I still might be able to run the half. However, my hopes came to an end when I had to go emergency on Friday night because of a painful ear infection that had developed. I’m currently on antibiotics and will continue with them for the next 9 days. With my key 10k coming up on the 28th, I’d rate my chances of breaking 40 minutes at about 150 to 1. Even before this happened I would have to have been rated as a major long shot. For now, at least, I’d be happy to break my PR of 40:24 that I ran last September and am anxious to resume the training that seemed to be going so well before this bug hit me.
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bizenyaki
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posted May-06-2007 04:43 PM
14.7 seconds short today - 40:14.7 for the Sporting Life 10k in Toronto. The first km was crowded and kept me at a 4:40ish pace, which I couldn't make up. Everything else was 4:00 or less (other than the 9th km, which was about 4:05).This means its do-able - I've just got to find a less crowded race. Hopefully the 10k I'm running July 1 will let me get out to a faster start. And hopefully I'll be in even better shape for that one. ------------------
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Jim24315
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posted May-06-2007 10:08 PM
Very good run, bizenyakiI believe that this is the 2nd fastest for this year's thread. You are knocking on the door now. Congratulations!
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Dakota Ridgerunner
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posted May-07-2007 12:38 AM
Jim, tough break on fighting those illnesses. However, don't give up on your goal race on the 28th. Don't forget the difference that being both healthy and tapered will have on your performance. You can do it, brother!Biz, great job. You are right there, and just need another chance at the distance. How did you feel throughout the race? Did you have some key workouts or other races leading up to this that you felt made the difference? Or that gave you a strong indication that sub-40 was possible soon? ------------------
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bizenyaki
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posted May-07-2007 08:00 AM
I followed a 12-week training course I patched together from a bunch of different sources. Essentially:Sunday: long run - peaking at 20 km
Monday: off (I can't wake up at 5am on Monday)
Tuesday: track - varied but the hardest was 5x1600 & 4x200
Wednesday: 5-6k recovery
Thursday: varied - tempo; hills; fartlek: 10-12k
Friday: off
Saturday: recovery: 5-6k I had one practice 10k in March that I didn't really taper for (and that - due to my vacation schedule caused me to do an interval workout in the mountains - 1st half uphill - 2nd half downhill - that was painful!) - I finished that at 42:21 - as I said, with not the freshest legs going in. The tune-up race reminded me of two things: (1) kms 7-9 are miserable and (2) if you want to hit goals in these races, you've got to embrace pain after about 6-7 kms. The last km is easy to get through - its when you still have 3-4 km to go (or as I thought of it 2+ mile interval workouts). I went into this race knowing that I would probably not enjoy that stretch, but the end would be worth it. Yesterday's race was good, other than the crowds in the first km that kept my pace too slow. My splits were pretty even (other than that pesky 9th km that I slowed down on). And in contrast to my last couple of races I know I ran harder. I'd been showing an AHR of 181 or 182 for previous races. Yesterday's AHR was 188. I've got 8 weeks to my next 10k, so after recovering this week, I've got 7 weeks to push myself back up. That race should be a bit smaller, so hopefully I'll hit the goal then. ------------------
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joev9
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posted May-07-2007 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by joev9:
(now, watch this, i will probably get my butt kicked in the "easy" race on saturday...)
almost as predicted. ran 20:03 and came in 6th overall, 2nd in age group. probably could have run a bit faster but i forgot my watch and they didn't give splits at the mile markers so i had no idea where i was pace wise.
i should have listened to laker and ran the damn 10K. wouldn't have been near 40 but could have easily picked up 3rd in AG (3rd place was 47 and change) and got the same prize as the 2nd in the 5K (a coffee mug, whoopeee!!!). more and most importantly, i could have trounced a friend of mine who was the star runner on my HS track team. he was this super competitive guy in HS and set a state record for the 2 mile when he was a sophmore. however, he has let himself go pretty bad but thought he could just pick it up again and run like he did in HS. well, he ran a 6 min first mile but was reduced to walking and finished in 49 and change. would have been so satisfying to beat him by 6 or 7 minutes because i was never even close to him in HS. learned my lesson, laker, won't be "wimping out" anytime in the near future...
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jtv
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posted May-08-2007 03:07 PM
Haven't visited this thread in awhile. Boy did I miss some fireworks!I've been away cause I haven't seriously thought about this for awhile. I just ran a 1:09:20 for 10 miles, so the chase is back on. I have a 5K this Sat, then there are 10K's the next 2 weeka after that. After the 5K, I should have a better idea whether I have a shot at it. If I run somewhere in the 19:15-19:30 range, I will give it a shot. Otherwise I will probably try more for a 40:30 a few weeks later. After that, I will probably bag it until next year, since I will be training for Chicago. I might try 1 more later in the summer. Good luck everyone. ------------------
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Dakota Ridgerunner
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posted May-09-2007 07:13 PM
Ok, I finally broke 20 in a 5k (race report), and with that monkey off my back, I feel slightly more worthy of posting here. :-)My main running goal for the year is to break 40 at the Bolder Boulder 10k, and that's now less than three weeks away. Time to assess my progress... My 19:47 5k result from last night predicts a 41-minute 10k. Why am I still optimistic? Good question. Here are my reasons. - I wasn't tapered for last night's race. I will be tapered at the Bolder Boulder.
- Temperatures will almost certainly be cooler (and thus faster) at the Bolder Boulder, which has a 7 AM start.
- I paced badly at last night's race. With better pacing I could hope to run a 19:30(?) on my current fitness.
- I still have almost three weeks before my goal race. By then, the workouts I'm doing right now will be transformed into better fitness. Hopefully!
- I've always suspected the course from last night's 5k is slow, due to the dirt/gravel surface. In fact, in 2005 I raced three 5k's on this course, with times of 21:15, 20:55, and 20:44. That would have predicted a 43-minute 10k, but in fact I ran 40:39 at the Bolder Boulder three weeks later. My 5k splits in the race were 20:19 and 20:20, both faster than any of my 5k races on the dirt course.
So, I'm not giving up yet! Call me a glass-half-full kind of guy. ------------------
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Jim24315
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posted May-09-2007 09:40 PM
Nice goin, DakotaNot knowing anything else I'd say that 19:47 for 5k is a long ways from a sub-40 for 10. However, you make a very strong case. I like your chances after considering all the facts.
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bobscamman
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posted May-10-2007 07:16 AM
I haven't posted over here of late either because I wanted to be sure I was even close to being able to shoot for the sub 40 this year. With my first 5K (19:43) of the season under my belt I am feeling much better about my conditioning. I know that I could have done a much better job of pacing in this last race and probably would have been 10+ seconds faster (6:11, 6:24, 6:32, :36) I had simply lost focus, why I can't really explain. Maybe because I'm not used to running so alone and up near the front in that last mile until of course I heard the guy coming up on my left who eventually passed me and woke me up. My final tenth of :36 was at 6:00 mile pace so at least I know that I had it in me to finish strong, I just have to work at putting the whole thing together to get my times down. I have two main 10K races on my schedule the first being July 4th and the second being August 4th. I will be doing a fair amount of racing up to the July 4th one so tapering may be an issue, but I plan on using that one more as a guide plus it is a real tough course. After that one I have a month of no racing scheduled and plan on using those weeks to make my final preparations for the assault on my sub 40 10K at the Beach to Beacon. We'll see how things go, I am concentrating on my 5Ks because I know I have to get my 5K times consistently down to around 19:15 to be in the shape for a real shot at that sub 40 10K am I there yet? Probably not, but I am closer than I have ever been and I'm healthy and running strong! Edited to correct spelling errors.
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stovaleani
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posted May-11-2007 06:04 PM
All you "not worthy enough to post" folks sound like running gods to me. But I'm happy to report that I've shaved another minute off my best post-geezer 10k time. (I'll turn 51 in a few weeks, although my left hip thinks it's turning 71). I'm at 44:30 and hope to break 44 by the end of May and crawl under 40 sometime before running the City to the Sea half marathon in San Luis Obispo, CA in October.Mike
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dredd
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posted May-14-2007 03:55 PM
Count me in.
This year to date my best times are 19.28 for 5k and 32.00 for 5miles. Training has been limited to date (less than 20miles pe week) due to study and exam pressure. Glad to say exams over 2 weeks ago and I plan to up training from now on.Had watched this thread last year in frustration as I recovered fron cartilage surgery to my right knee. Did manage to run the cross-country season but missed all the best local road races. I'll probably run 5-6 races over next few months with a focus on finding a few good quality 10ks in August/September. Looking forward to advice etc. Dredd
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Jim24315
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posted May-14-2007 11:27 PM
Welcome dredd and stovaleani, you are on the list.stova - You have your work cut out for you, I don't want to give you a lot of bs. It's probably going to take longer than 6 months. You'll need to chip away. A good intermediate goal would be to break 21 for 5k, and after that, sub-20. You need to be well under 20--like 19:25 or faster to have a good shot at sub-40 for 10. Voice of experience. dredd - All you need to do is stay healthy. If you can do that and get your miles up to at least 40's and hold it for a while, you should be able to go well under 40, probably by a couple minutes or more.
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Dakota Ridgerunner
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posted May-16-2007 01:18 PM
Getting closer!I ran a 19:30 5k last night (race report). That's 17 seconds faster than last week, and both are PRs for me. I've got 12 days left, so I'll get in a few more quality workouts and then the last week is a taper. spankee, how was your 10k? jtv, how did your 5k go? Dredd, with a 32:00 5-mile race under your belt, I would think a sub-40 10k is a given. I said the same thing about Diane and she ran a 38:53. All you need to do is sign up for a race and go for it (and stay healthy, as Jim mentioned). We need some more graduates from this thread. Only one so far! ------------------
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spankee
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posted May-16-2007 04:43 PM
Sorry--didn`t report.Didn`t consider it a race to target a sub 40. It was a fun little run in a small town west of Ottawa. One of those races where competition isn`t too intense and the ambience is wonderful. Any thoughts of under 40 for me were killed by the wind on that day....and lack of a third gear as I was three weeks from a marathon. Was on pace uptil 5 k and then fell off to finish in 41 and change. I can do the 5k`s in 19:10--19:30--thought I don`t run them often-- so believe 40 is possible. I think July 1st is a possibility as it is a relatively flat course for Canada Day.[This message has been edited by spankee (edited May-16-2007).]
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Jim24315
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posted May-16-2007 08:52 PM
Nice run, DakotaYou have come a long ways since you had trouble on that time trial a few weeks back. You are in the ballpark now and have a very good chance to get your sub-40 on Labor Day.
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stovaleani
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posted May-17-2007 05:23 PM
Another minute closer. 43:31 on the TM with 5k splits of 22:16 / 21:15. I wish I understood why some days everything clicks and some days nothing does. I thought I was in a pattern where my best runs came the day after a moderate workout, and never the day after a rest day. This is my first 10k PR that followed a day off.
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nocknee
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posted May-17-2007 09:38 PM
Okay, so I was 14 seconds off last time. I'm thinking I could lose a few non-vital ounces for the underwear affair, 7 July...
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