posted Apr-27-2007 09:45 AM               

The fact that you are undecided about Apple Blossom makes it sound like your foot problems are not too serious? If I had a vote I'd say skip the race. I could see more temptation if you were feeling fit, but why risk further aggravation to foot when you aren't in shape to run up to your standards. You'll have plenty more chances later.

Good luck to you and stay in touch.

Jim

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posted Apr-27-2007 11:08 AM            

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Anybody still training for sub-40? Let me know if you have any 10k races coming up and I'll put them on the calendar at beginning of thread.

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Yep, I'm still going for it on May 28. Lately I've been hanging out at the sub-20 5k thread because I still haven't run one of those yet! Hopefully soon, though.

How's your training going, Jim?

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posted Apr-27-2007 12:04 PM            

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I'm not going to do the Zoo Zoom 10k tomorrow as previously planned. It's a long drive and I have a 5k next weekend. I ran 4 miles on a very fast course last Sunday in 25:25, which is in 40:20's 10k range per Daniels. At this point I'm probably looking at something more like 40:35-45 on an average fast course. I might run a HM or 10k on May 5 or 6, then wait until Memorial Day 10k in Marin for best shot at sub-40.

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If the memorial day 10k is your best shot at sub 40 then don't race a half marathon on May 5. Give yourself the best possible chance to succeed and do a nice taper. Good luck either way.

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posted Apr-27-2007 04:10 PM               

Wish me luck!

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posted Apr-27-2007 11:33 PM               

Keep the faith, Dakota. I think it's a good idea to shoot for the sub-20 first, but by all means see what you can do at Bolder Boulder. Just keep chippin away and you'll get there.

Tchuck; I agree that you have your work cut out for you on such low mileage. You have the ablility to run comfortably under 40 minutes but there's only so much you can do on 25 mpw. The extra 15 miles in going from 25 to 40 has one of the best returns on investment that you can make. If could you could do that I think you'd get there.

Thanks for encouragement, Laker. I'm not nearly as nonchalant about that half next week as my comment made it sound. The only reservations I had were because of the possiblity of hot weather with no time to acclimate. However, the forecasts are looking very favorable now and I'm probably better prepared for this one than any I've run in years. I've been thinking about this race for weeks and am very up for it. I am confident that I can recover in the 3 weeks I'll have before the 10k. True, it's probably the fastest course I'll see, but there are a couple other good ones later in the year.

Congratulations on your 2:48 at Boston. For that day on that course, it was very impressive. While conditons might not have been as bad as predicted, they were still bad. When the elites run 6 mintues slower than last year it has to mean something.

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i'm bagging the 10K this coming saturday in favor of the 5K option at the same race. the 10K is a local club's 2nd Grand Prix event so all the horses will be in the 10K leaving the 5K ripe for a possible top 10 finish and an age group win. my PR would have net me first in my age group the last two years (last year i ran the 5K at this race but was a week removed from surgery and didn't push it at all). so, i'm going for the bling rather than the 40 min. 10K. decision made even easier in that i'm probably only in shape for a 42 10K anyways...

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Unless you are over 35, and I could make a strong point for 40, an age group award is a joke What good is an age group award if you are younger and get beat by people who are older where age is a hinderance?

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posted May-01-2007 09:28 AM            

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Unless you are over 35, and I could make a strong point for 40, an age group award is a joke What good is an age group award if you are younger and get beat by people who are older where age is a hinderance?

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uh, ok. i'm 37, so i guess an age group award isn't a joke??? what exactly was your point? you really think there is something wrong with trying to win something??? don't really see anything negative about it...

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posted May-01-2007 01:32 PM            

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uh, ok. i'm 37, so i guess an age group award isn't a joke??? what exactly was your point? you really think there is something wrong with trying to win something??? don't really see anything negative about it...

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My point is pretty simple. At 37 you should be concerned with where you place overall. Worrying about where you place 35-39 is a joke. Will you be happy if you win your " age group" but lose to 10 guys who are 40+? In my opinion, that would hardly be a victory worth celebrating, especially since you purposely ducked the competition in the other race.

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posted May-01-2007 01:46 PM            

and, you know what, i have and will feel good about winning my age group no matter where i place overall. why should i feel bad if some 40+ dudes beat me. should a i feel bad if a couple of girls beat me too? it won't be my fault that noone faster than me between 30 and 39 shows up for the race (as a matter of fact it is totally possible that someone faster will show up, how the hell should i know who is going to show run). i don't decide who gets awards and who doesn't. it is a free country, anyone can run. as a matter of fact, why don't you come on out and show me how it's done?!?!?

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posted May-01-2007 02:24 PM               

However, I'm 32 and it's rare for me to find someone my age to compete w/ unless the race is very large.

Thoughts?

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posted May-01-2007 02:30 PM            

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Why is there a dearth of competition in the 30s age range? In the 20s, I get: college meets, etc. (though in bigger races, there's some wicked tough post-collegiate runners).

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I think the simple answer is parenting little kids and peak years to establish oneself in a career. Many people in their 30's are busy being parents or focusing on their careers that they don't feel they have time to devote to things like running.

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posted May-01-2007 02:54 PM               

little do they know that if they work at it they can combine all three successfully

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posted May-01-2007 04:57 PM            

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so, tell me why do they even give out age group awards? should i not accept it, if they offer it to me. as for ducking the competition, i run in plenty of highly competive races (USATF regional championships), if once in a while i look for a less competitive local race, what the hell difference does it make? i know plenty of horses that pick their races based on the competition.

and, you know what, i have and will feel good about winning my age group no matter where i place overall. why should i feel bad if some 40+ dudes beat me. should a i feel bad if a couple of girls beat me too? it won't be my fault that noone faster than me between 30 and 39 shows up for the race (as a matter of fact it is totally possible that someone faster will show up, how the hell should i know who is going to show run). i don't decide who gets awards and who doesn't. it is a free country, anyone can run. as a matter of fact, why don't you come on out and show me how it's done?!?!?

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Sorry, if I were to come race I'd man up and race with the big dogs. If you think your age group trophy means something then you're pretty pitiful. No you shouldn't feel bad if some 40+ dudes and women beat you, but you sure as hell shouldn't be basking in the glory of an age group award. In the old days we raced to win and be fast, they didn't give out meaningless rewards in 5 year age groups,5 or 10 deep. I bet you have a whole room full of trophies and medals, or maybe none at all....which would explain a lot.

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Well, I've only done three races so far, but here in Canada at least it seems pretty unusual for someone over 40 to win overall. If they do, I don't see anything negative about that - surely it's an inspiration for those of us who take it up later than 'normal'.

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Darn right. At Boston this year i was 42nd 40-49, but I was beaten by 6 guys 50-59. I tell people I was 48th master. Also beaten by a bunch of women, count them ahead of me too in the overall.

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If you think your age group trophy means something then you're pretty pitiful. In the old days we raced to win and be fast, they didn't give out meaningless rewards in 5 year age groups,5 or 10 deep.

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there is only one person in this thread that is pitiful and it is surely you. you truly are the first a-hole i have encountered on this board or in the running community for that matter. everyone i have "met" here has been cool and encouraging to runners of all levels. must be nice to be such a fast runner that you can look down at all of us slow pokes.

pulling out the "in the old days" (aka back in the day) line is a pretty good one. we have a saying around here when someone uses that line, but it ain't acceptable for a family oriented forum such as this.

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At Boston this year i was 42nd 40-49, but I was beaten by 6 guys 50-59. I tell people I was 48th master.

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what a hypocrite, you harass me about going for an age group placing and now you're gonna start bragging about how "fast" you are. you really are pathetic. keep living in the past old man and "basking in the glory" of your 48th place masters placing. i for one, am duly impressed.

why don't you take your elitist attitude over to letsrun.com where it might be better appreciated.

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what a hypocrite, you harass me about going for an age group placing and now you're gonna start bragging about how "fast" you are. you really are pathetic. keep living in the past old man and "basking in the glory" of your 48th place masters placing. i for one, am duly impressed.

why don't you take your elitist attitude over to letsrun.com where it might be better appreciated.

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laker's opinionated, but not harrassing you that I can tell.

I am now slowly backing away and out of the middle of it...

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posted May-02-2007 10:09 AM            

But I ran a race in the snow in early April with only 50 runners or so and took 1st place in my age group (of 2 runners)...hey if I showed up to run in the snow I deserve the medal! I finished 6th place in that race...it was great fun running so far up in the field for once.

Laker if you dont care for trophies so be it but you dont need to slam other people for taking the trophies...if Joe didnt win the trophy some slub who rus a 25:00 5k will take the trophy.

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funny thing is that i know many of the fast guys in this area, and know for a fact that SOMETIMES they pick a race based on there being a good chance they can win it because the competition level is less than other races. if those were the only races they ran, then i would consider that to be lame as well, but they also challenge themselves in harder races too, so it all balances out.

to me, racing well is about confidence and if i can get a LITTLE confidence boost by picking a race that i have a chance to win my age group, i'm going for it. and you know what, i will probably push myself a little harder in this race than the last race i ran where i had no chance at all. maybe the carrot (however much of a "joke" it is) of winning my age group will spur me on to a new PR. it has happened before.

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posted May-02-2007 11:54 AM               

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that may have been his point, but it seems to me it could have been made with quite a bit more tact. i'm not denying i'm choosing the easier race, so where's the problem? if all he wanted to say was don't be a wimp, run the harder race, it could have been said without all the vitriol and elitism. i also stated that my choice of race had to do with my fitness level and i also didn't mention that the timing of the easier race fits in better with my family's schedule than the harder race does.

funny thing is that i know many of the fast guys in this area, and know for a fact that SOMETIMES they pick a race based on there being a good chance they can win it because the competition level is less than other races. if those were the only races they ran, then i would consider that to be lame as well, but they also challenge themselves in harder races too, so it all balances out.

to me, racing well is about confidence and if i can get a LITTLE confidence boost by picking a race that i have a chance to win my age group, i'm going for it. and you know what, i will probably push myself a little harder in this race than the last race i ran where i had no chance at all. maybe the carrot (however much of a "joke" it is) of winning my age group will spur me on to a new PR. it has happened before.

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