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Jim24315
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 posted Sep-21-2007 04:48 PM
   
Hi Pete. Welcome.This is the best I can do for now: NC Raleigh - Nov 11 - Old Reliable Run - http://www.unitedwaytriangle.org/run/race_info.asp There's a link to 10k's on page one, the very first post of this thread, to some certified, relatively fast 10k's around the country. There's also a 50-plus thread on the "Boomers and Beyond" that several oldsters, most of whom are pretty serious about their training, frequent. I'll add you the list of Sub-40 hopefuls, also on the 1st post on page 1. Stick around. Jim
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Sep-23-2007 01:42 PM
Pete I run this race every year with my son in a jogging stroller(Yes they actually have a jogging stroller division). It is the fastest 10K in the area. It is not pancake flat but it is as close as you can get in Raleigh.I posted a 40:56 with my son last year and I still lost the stroller race to a guy with a double stroller. You will break 40:00 on this course! They let the strollers start a couple of minutes before the rest of the field. If you catch the big yellow stroller then you will know that sub 40:00 is a lock. However, I will be attempting to go sub 40:00 on this course as well. Here is the profile for the new course. http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=525556 quote:
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Hi Pete. Welcome.This is the best I can do for now: NC Raleigh - Nov 11 - Old Reliable Run - http://www.unitedwaytriangle.org/run/race_info.asp There's a link to 10k's on page one, the very first post of this thread, to some certified, relatively fast 10k's around the country. There's also a 50-plus thread on the "Boomers and Beyond" that several oldsters, most of whom are pretty serious about their training, frequent. I'll add you the list of Sub-40 hopefuls, also on the 1st post on page 1. Stick around. Jim
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bigdave10000
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posted Sep-24-2007 10:40 AM
I would like to congratulate Jim and the other runners who have gone sub 40 this year.I was active in last years thread. After running a 5K in 18:52 in May of 2006 I thought I had a great chance at Sub 40. Later in the summer and fall I started have shortness of breath and thought I had allergies or asthma. I keep training but my average HR slowly started going up and my average pace started slowing. I ran a half marathon Oct 28th 2006 in 1:33:47. I was disappointed and thought I was over-trained. I didn't feel right so I backed off he mileage then stopped running all together. I made a Dr's appointment to get some allergy medicine. She recommended seeing a Cardiologist because of my symptoms and family history. One thing led to another and on Jan 24th 2007 FOUR days after my 40th birthday I had a heart cath. I had 7 blockages over 85% and 4 of them were 95% plus. They thought they were going to have to do a quadruple bypass but elected to have 5 stents put in. All went well. After 5 months of not running I started back slowly this May. I have built back up to 70+ MPW and my easy pace and average HR are almost back to where they were in May of 2006. I am going to run a 5K in four weeks. That should give me a good idea of what kind of shape I am in. If that goes well I am going to do a 10K 2 weeks later. I am just happy to be running again. ------------------
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stovaleani
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posted Sep-24-2007 11:56 AM
Six months ago when I joined this thread I plotted out a nice little road map of goals to help me get from 48 minutes to 39:59 or better. The first few months everything was on target, and in the gym I was under 43 by the end of June. Unfortunately, out in the real world I was stuck in the low 44s. Three races over 12 weeks, all with similar results. Along the way a wiser man than I on this board noted that it might take longer than I thought to hit the magic number.This past weekend was the date my goal sheet said I would break 40 -- at the Heritage Oaks Bank race in Paso Robles, CA. As race day approached, I knew that wasn't going to happen. Mostly I just didn't want to embarrass myself too badly since this was also the USATF Master's 10K Championship. Racing behind 60- and 70- year-olds who look (and run) like they're 40 is pretty inspiring and they helped bring me down to 42:17. While only ranking 19th out of 21 in my 50-54 age group, I was happy advancing my outdoor PR by more than a minute and a half. I'm still looking forward to breaking 40, if not this year, then 2008 for sure.
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Jim24315
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posted Sep-24-2007 12:01 PM
Welcome back, Bigdave. I remember you well and also believing that you were one of most likely to succeed in your sub-40 quest. The timing is good for reading your message. Just yesterday while at the National Masters 10k Championship in Paso Robles, I was chatting with a fellow runner who had just finished the race in 39:43. About 3 years ago he passed out a few times during his runs, and soon after learned that he had an abnormal heart rhythm. Now, at age 61, one heart operation, a broken hip and pacemaker later, he is running national class times for his age. You can do it Dave. I wish you the very best as you continue your recovery. I admire your dedication and courage. Jim
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Lovrunnin
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posted Sep-24-2007 12:31 PM
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After noticing no one uses their real name on this board, I changed my member name to loverunnin. Anyway, thanks for the tip on Old Reliable 10K. I've actually wanted to do that for years. This year is no good as it is just a week after NY marathon and I'll still be recovering. I did the 12K this weekend (Ray Tanner Home Run, Columbia, SC) and only averaged 7:11 miles so way off sub-40 pace for a 10K. But it was hot and humid and somewhat hilly. I know that heat and humidty affect me more than others because people I normally beat were ahead of me Sat. I won't really know what I can do until I race on a nice cool day. Hopefully, NY will be that, although it's never been in the 3 previous times I've run it (so why keep running it?). Will check out the 50-plus board as well.
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Lovrunnin
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posted Sep-24-2007 02:18 PM
In regards to JasonsDrivingForce's comment on Stroller Racing, a few years ago, I was in good shape and running a 5k in about 6:30 pace when a guy pushing a stroller passed me at the half-mile mark. I thought I would catch and pass him easily on mile 2, which was almost all uphill. Never saw the guy again. I wasn't in as good a shape as I thought I was.♠
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Pete I run this race every year with my son in a jogging stroller(Yes they actually have a jogging stroller division). It is the fastest 10K in the area. It is not pancake flat but it is as close as you can get in Raleigh.I posted a 40:56 with my son last year and I still lost the stroller race to a guy with a double stroller. You will break 40:00 on this course! They let the strollers start a couple of minutes before the rest of the field. If you catch the big yellow stroller then you will know that sub 40:00 is a lock. However, I will be attempting to go sub 40:00 on this course as well. Here is the profile for the new course.
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bhearn
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posted Sep-24-2007 06:42 PM
Well, I thought I had a good shot at sub-40 yesterday. I ought to be in sub-40 shape now, and I was running on a pretty flat course, with great weather.The good news is: I won the race! That's a first! And a total shock. The bad news is: I ran 40:37. It was a pretty small race, maybe 45 people. And most of the faster runners ran the associated half. The 10K course was an out and back. The half started at the same time, and shared the course through 5K. I started strong, holding pace through the outward section. Approaching the turnaround, there was a pack of four guys a bit ahead of me. They didn't turn around. Huh! So I was the 10K leader?! After the turnaround, I could see that the the 2nd place guy was quite a ways back. So, I had a win in the bag, and the race had become a time trial. I'm sure that contributed to my not being able to hold pace. Kilometer 6 was 4:08 (maybe because of the turnaround), and I kind of lost heart after that. I lost another two or three seconds per kilometer, until during km 9 I went off course, running a 4:16. OK, no chance after that. And I was only able to pull out a 4:02 for the last kilometer, even with my "kick". My one consolation is, it was a trail race, 90% gravel. Fine gravel, but I could definitely feel the difference on the brief pavement sections. I'm not really sure how big a time difference that translates to. But I don't like the comparison with a very hilly 10K I ran a month ago in 40:55. I'm thinking now that course must have been short. I was also discouraged during the race by the Garmin error. At least, I think the course was accurate. But I kept the lap pace under 4:00/km except when I went off course. 3:55 pace kept turning into 4:02 laps. The measured length was 10.26 km. I was really hoping for a sub-40 here, to give me confidence for 3:10 going into the Portland marathon in two weeks. Oh well. I'm still going for it. And I may have another shot or two at sub-40 later this year.
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Jim24315
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posted Sep-24-2007 09:36 PM
I lowered my PR by another 4 seconds yesterday, running 39:32 at National Masters 10k in Paso Robles to finish 5th out of the 10 runners entered in the 60-64 divsion. Except for some sun, conditions were nearly ideal with temps in 50's and no wind at all. By no means did I take running another sub-40 for granted, so I was extremely pleased. I posted a report on Boomers and Beyond: http://www.coolrunning.com/forums/Forum13/HTML/011157.shtml
Bob "bhearn"
I'm betting that you'll break 3:10 in your marathon. You should be encouraged by your 10k rather than the other way around. I think you are grossly underestimating how much of a factor the course can be. I failed to break 41 in 2 races earlier this year--one on a course similar to what you described, and the other was flat, but on dirt. Although I'm in better shape now, I'm not in THAT much better shape. I estimate that the 39:.32 I ran yesterday under near perfect conditions would have been a 40:32 or slower on one of those courses I just mentioned. I'm not just saying this to make you feel good--it's the honest truth.
Even on flat, fast course your 40:37 = 3:10 per McMillan and 3:07 per Jack Daniels.
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jrescpa
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posted Sep-25-2007 11:59 AM
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bhearn
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posted Sep-25-2007 02:52 PM
Jim, way to go on the 39:32.Thanks for the encouragement. I do have to be a bit careful with the time comparisons, though, because Portland is not a flat course. But it's not too bad.
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Sep-25-2007 04:45 PM
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I lowered my PR by another 4 seconds yesterday, running 39:32 at National Masters 10k in Paso Robles to finish 5th out of the 10 runners entered in the 60-64 divsion. Except for some sun, conditions were nearly ideal with temps in 50's and no wind at all. By no means did I take running another sub-40 for granted, so I was extremely pleased. I posted a report on Boomers and Beyond: http://www.coolrunning.com/forums/Forum13/HTML/011157.shtml
Jim you DA man! Keep it up! Is that a sub 39 I hear in your future?
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Jim24315
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posted Sep-25-2007 08:08 PM
Thanks guys. Travis; it would take an all-time age grade PR for me to break 39, so I'm not counting on it. Everything has gone about as well as it could to run the times I have these last few races. Conditions have been near perfect for all of them, I haven't been injured in well over a year now, and I'm running as many miles as I ever have at age 61. There's not a lot more I can do but try to stay in the moment and enjoy the ride.Most of you have a lot more room to improve if you want to put in the work, and I have not doubt that some of you will.
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joev9
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posted Sep-28-2007 09:00 AM
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Thanks guys. Travis; it would take an all-time age grade PR for me to break 39, so I'm not counting on it. Everything has gone about as well as it could to run the times I have these last few races. Conditions have been near perfect for all of them, I haven't been injured in well over a year now, and I'm running as many miles as I ever have at age 61. There's not a lot more I can do but try to stay in the moment and enjoy the ride.Most of you have a lot more room to improve if you want to put in the work, and I have not doubt that some of you will.
Jim, you have been so encouraging and helpful to everyone here and on other threads, I feel like it's time to return some of the good vibes you have sent out here. Based on what you have accomplished this summer, I know you can totally break 39 minutes. Keep training smart and working with Tinman and you will be there in no time. What's that saying?If you think you can't you won't but if you think you can, you might...
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Robert Wildes
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posted Sep-28-2007 09:52 AM
I've followed this thread off and on since shortly after it's inception.The marathon is my focus, so I never posted before. I am still
much more interested in the marathon, but have recently run
a few 10K's and have a more modest goal of 41:59. Fairly recent races: 1-July 4, 2007-Peachtree Road Race 42:46
2-August 4, 2007-Run For Life 10K-Kennesaw,GA 43:35
3-September 15, 2007-Doug Kessler 10K-Sandy Springs, GA 42:00 Probable next race
October 6, 2007-Cartersville, GA
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thereshegoes
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posted Sep-29-2007 02:26 PM
Jim!! Congrats on the pr! You are simply amazing!You can cross me off the list finally. I ran a 39:05 this morning. I went out like a bat out of hell for the first couple miles and then paid the price on a 4 mile desolate stretch of towpath and a 1/2 mil uphill finish to twist the knife. In my defense it was a relay leg and I had no frame of reference for pacing. Plus there were so many fans those first couple miles so I got a little carried away, I guess  But it sure was a good time. Keep up the good work everyone!!
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bhearn
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posted Sep-29-2007 04:44 PM
Congratulations, TSG! That's a huge breakthrough. Way to go.Now... what's that going to do to your target marathon time? Was this your last tune-up race?
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Jim24315
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posted Sep-29-2007 04:56 PM
Joev9, thanks for the encouragement. I’m not going to stop trying—you can bet on that! Just trying to be realistic and appreciate what’s happening now rather than get ahead of myself. I look forward to reading about your sub-40 before long.Robert, I think you have a very good strategy for preparing yourself for the marathon. I believe that 10k's are underrated preps for the longer distance. Racing them regularly should serve you well. Good luck. TSG, One upping me, heh, you rascal! This has come as no surprise at all here. All you had to do is get out there and run one. You had races at other distances that said you have been at this level for a while. Congratulations on smashing through the “barrier”. [This message has been edited by Jim24315 (edited Sep-30-2007).]
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thereshegoes
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posted Oct-01-2007 09:18 AM
Thanks guys!
Jim Now the next goal is to outdo you in the age grade department! Maybe when I'm 80!
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Oct-01-2007 11:12 AM
Jim – You are crazy fast. Although, I still want to see you get that record!TSG – You are crazy faster! What next? Are you going record hunting also? I don’t have a 10K scheduled until the Old Reliable. However, I was able to post an 18:43 on a 5K this weekend with both kids. I feel pretty confident that I can reach the sub 40:00 goal at the Old Reliable. It basically does the exact same course I ran the 18:43 on. You can read about the 5K here. It is a long post but I think it was a very interesting story. Check it out. http://www.coolrunning.com/forums/Forum8/HTML/010602.shtml
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Jim24315
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posted Oct-01-2007 05:15 PM
TSG,What was the name of your race so I can put it up on the list? Right now I have it as "relay leg somewhere" 
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thereshegoes
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posted Oct-02-2007 08:58 AM
Jim--it was the Akron Marathon Relay.
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Jim24315
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posted Oct-02-2007 12:02 PM
Gotcha covered, TSG. When you get some time, how about a little summary of your training these past few months and what you feel the keys have been.
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Mailbox Head
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posted Oct-07-2007 04:03 PM
Well, you can cross me off the list, but not quite in the emphatic fashion that I had hoped for.
I ran the Minster, Ohio Oktoberfest Classic this morning in about 80-85 degree heat. I thought going in that under ideal conditions I could average 6:20 pace for the distance, but with the weather, I knew that wasn't going to happen. I decided to just start out at that pace and back it down a little once the heat started to wear on me. I got off to that pace for the first 4 miles or so, and then I could tell I was wearing down. I backed off the pace by about 10 seconds per mile or so, and didn't have big problems from there. I finished up in 39:48 by my watch. One of these days, I'll find a 10k without hills or really high temps and see what I can really do. ------------------
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bhearn
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posted Oct-07-2007 05:51 PM
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Bob "bhearn"
I'm betting that you'll break 3:10 in your marathon. You should be encouraged by your 10k rather than the other way around.
You were right -- I ran a 3:08:50. That's a PR by 3 1/2 minutes. Now, want to try to talk me out of running a flat, fast 10K next weekend, like I did a year ago when I ran 40:00.00 a week after Boston, then got injured?
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