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Quad Cities Marathon: Learning a lesson the hard way...

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kestrou
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posted Sep-25-2006 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kestrou   Click Here to Email kestrou     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you're one of those people who can learn something from the experiences of others, then hopefully you won't make the mistake I did today at Quad Cities.

If you're one of those hard-headed people who just *has* to experience it yourself then hopefully you can still enjoy the story - because any race that ends in the Medical tent is a good story, right?!

Ran the Quad Cities Marathon yesterday as my Boston Qualification attempt - pretty flat course (not quite as flat as Chicago, but close) along the banks of the Mississippi River, but much of the course is concrete.

Weather was cloudy and temperature was in the low 50s at the start, only rising to the mid 50s by the end - which was probably part of my problem, as you'll see!

I need a 3:20:59 to qualify, and had no plans to try and beat that by a wide margin. I printed out a pace wrist band for a 3:19 - and never got more than 1:15 ahead of that. Thus I was never more than 3:15 ahead of my 3:20:59 goal (which requires a pace of 7:40.3/mile) - contrary to my prior "flameout" attempt last December.

Got to mile 20 in great shape - feeling good and thinking "I've got this in the bag" as I can, at that point, run a pace of 8:00/mile and cross the line under my deadline.

So, being a smart runner and fearing a flameout, I dropped my pace to 7:50 mile and cruised on through mile 23.

It was in mile 24 that the wheels started to come off, and I had a short walk break - covered the mile in 9:29.

Thus, with 2.2 miles to go, things were looking grim. Although it was still technically possible to qualify at a pace of 7:35/mile for the last 2.2, as we all know, once the wheels start coming off they never go back on!

Getting to mile 25 took 11:55.7 with a couple walk breaks and I'm NOT feeling well at all, although my legs don't really feel tired (more on this later).

I don't have the mile split at 26, but the last 1.2 miles (you know, where you're usually sprinting to the finish) took almost 26 minutes. Although my legs felt fine (no glycogen deprivation "wall") I just couldn't run and would say I walked it all, but it was really more like stumbling and staggering. I swear they had an earthquake at that time because the street was swaying and I couldn't walk a straight line! During that time another runner handed me a bottled water - and I drank the whole thing, suddenly realizing I was very thirsty.

About 100 yards from the finish one of the volunteers grabbed me and had me finish with another volunteer at my elbow and orders to get me immediately to the medical tent in a wheelchair once I crossed the line - which I did in 3:42:05

En route to the medical tent (while in the wheelchair) I cramped up *terribly* in my legs and feet and by the time we got there my whole body was shaking violently.

The medics lifted me out of the chair, got me in a cot, and took my blood pressure - which was about 80 over 50 (not good!). It took two of them to get an IV in - one to hold my arm "still" while the other hit the vein. My vision was fuzzy, and I shook uncontrollably for at least the first two liters of saline.

Total IV input was 3 1/2 liters (almost a gallon!) along with three cups of Gatorade and two whole oranges, before I was really "back to normal" and I was released. They considered sending me to the hospital for blood work, but at the last minute decided that wasn't necessary.

Now for the moral of my story: INSUFFICIENT HYDRATION! I'd been "off" caffeine for a few days before the race and then all I had to drink the morning before the race was three cups of coffee (I heard caffeine was a performance enhancer, haven't you?!) There were water stops about every two miles, and I hit all of them except one - but only had one quick swallow each time - not nearly enough!!!

I hit my Hammer Gel and E-Caps on schedule, but without enough water or gatorade to back them up...

It always sucks to learn a lesson the hard way - but that's how I learn lessons the best - and won't make that mistake at Chicago, four long weeks from now (when I'll have hydration high on my priority list) or at the JFK50 when something like this would be even more easy to fall into over 50 miles.

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Go ahead and give me hell now, I can take it

But hopefully I've got somebody's attention enough that they'll stay hydrated.

Everybody stay safe out there this marathon season!

kestrou

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rafv
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posted Sep-25-2006 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rafv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Kestrou,

frightening story! You sure wasted a perfectly good opportunity for a BQ, as I read it you were well on your way to one when you ran out of liquids... Congrats on finishing, hope you are well now and recover fast from this, and that this is a lesson learnt. You seem to take it very well.

By the way, I had a mild version of this in my second marathon, when I was so focused on my finishing time and did not want to waste much time drinking, that I almost didn't hydrate at all. No need to say it wasn't pretty beyond 20 miles...

[This message has been edited by rafv (edited Sep-26-2006).]

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KudzuRunner
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posted Sep-25-2006 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KudzuRunner   Click Here to Email KudzuRunner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kestrou:

That's one hell of a story. You've actually managed to make me feel as though I had a pretty good race back in Tupelo! I guess there are more and less painful/dangerous ways for the wheels to come off. Your tale of the 26-minute last 1.2 miles should scare the bejesus out of everybody who ever scrimped on water-stop water.

I believe I recently read in Noakes that dehydration in a marathon has never killed anybody, and is, in fact, an overhyped danger. Noakes insists that humans, like camels, are actually bred, over their 10,000 year prehistory, to do pretty well in a state of moderate dehydration.

Hah! is all I can say. Hyponatremia was not your problem. Thanks for an eloquent horror story from the front lines. I'm sorry for the bad race, but it sounds as though you've learned the one, good, deep lesson that was there to be had, and that's not a bad day at the races.

Any day I wake up is a pretty good day, actually. Have a nice day!

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crunningman
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posted Sep-25-2006 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for crunningman   Click Here to Email crunningman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I ran QCM yesterday as well, but did not have to hydration problems that hit you. I've been there before, but in a much longer race (Leadville) where I dropped at the 50M mark. You will have many more opportunities. At least you were able to make it to a medical tent and weren't stuck high on some mountain waiting to be rescued.

Good luck at JFK! Wear a hydration system if you have to.
CR

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runninlaw
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posted Sep-25-2006 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for runninlaw     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow kestrou, that really stinks. I am so sorry to hear you had to go through that - especially after such a strong showing up front!

It is a good lesson, however, thanks for sharing it with us. As I am approaching marathon #2 (and an attempt at a BQ), I have been thinking about how I do not want to spend so much time walking through water stops. I actually thought maybe I would just take a good "sip" at each one as I was running though (I suck at drinking out of the cups while running). Alternatively I thought about taking my fuel belt, which sounds terrible. Now I realize how stupid option 1 really is.

Bottom line, thanks for sharing your wisdom - I probably would have done the same thing. I hope you recover soon and good luck in Chicago.

Be sure to link this in the Fall Marathon Trainers Thread - I am sure they are waiting your report (myself was included in that group).

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kestrou
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posted Sep-25-2006 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kestrou   Click Here to Email kestrou     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
rafv - yup, well on my way. I'm so bummed out!!!!

KudzuRunner - I guess the tricky part is the definition of "moderate dehydration" - because I was well past that! (pained grin)

crunningman - hope you had a good run. I really didn't like the course layout when I saw the map, but it wasn't bad at all. A little more concrete than I would have preferred, but my legs feel pretty good now - not nearly as beat up as I figured they'd be.

runinlaw - That was my thought exactly "don't waste time at the water stop" - and I'm not good at drinking from a cup on the run either. A suggestion I've heard since my flameout yesterday is to bring along a couple large straws (tucked in the waistband of your shorts) and use the straw to drink from the cup! Supposed to be easier to get smaller "sips" (so you don't choke), and you can run a hundred yards or so with the cup pinched closed and not lose any to sloshing out the top - all the while taking sips as you go and getting close to 100% of drink. That's now in my Chicago plan.

kestrou

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runninlaw
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posted Sep-25-2006 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for runninlaw     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kestrou:
runinlaw - That was my thought exactly "don't waste time at the water stop" - and I'm not good at drinking from a cup on the run either. A suggestion I've heard since my flameout yesterday is to bring along a couple large straws (tucked in the waistband of your shorts) and use the straw to drink from the cup! Supposed to be easier to get smaller "sips" (so you don't choke), and you can run a hundred yards or so with the cup pinched closed and not lose any to sloshing out the top - all the while taking sips as you go and getting close to 100% of drink. That's now in my Chicago plan.

kestrou


That is genius! Makes perfect sense. Thanks for the suggestion. I guess this weekend I will practice carrying straws..

Glad to hear you are recovering. Make sure you take some real time off to recover from all of that before you jump back in full throttle!

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WI MTP
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posted Sep-25-2006 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WI MTP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry to hear about the rough finish - I ran the same day in WI - I am not sure why people struggle drinking? I grab the cup - pinch it and slam what evers in there in about 1 second flat.

Then again - Even though I have only run for 3 years at age 37 - I realize that between the ages of 18 and 25 I was in strict training, honing this skill - but with beer, not water

My suggestion - Buy a pack of 100 paper cups - go to the track a few time and find some way to set them up - run about a 15-20 mile workout with 10-12 at marathon pace and practice grabbing the cup and drinking it.

Or start to enter beer chugging contests - open your throat and let it slide down. If you need a training aide - A beer bong works well

BTW - I am 13 months booze free - If you were wondering.

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beatfreq
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posted Sep-26-2006 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for beatfreq   Click Here to Email beatfreq     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
kestrou,
Thanks for posting that. It did get my attention, since I'll be going for the same time goal in a month. At my latest half marathon and 20k races, I would get water at most stations, but I would drink maybe half and pour the rest over my head. That worked fine for those distances, but I can see how the dehydration can accumulate over the marathon distance. I'll definitely focus more on drinking more at each station. I'll be going at a slower pace than I was going for the half marathon and 20k, so it should be easy enough - though if not, the straws are a good idea.

good luck at Chicago.

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runninlaw
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posted Sep-26-2006 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for runninlaw     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry for the slight hijack.....

WI MTP, it seems every time I have tried to "slam" my water (or gatorade) at a water stop during a race, it has promptly resulted in a nasty side stitch when I resume running. I seem to need to take several smaller sips to avoid that. Did this ever happen to you, or am I just unlucky in this way? BTW - Isn't it a crime punishable by death in WI to be alcohol free for 13 months?!

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dogberry
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posted Sep-29-2006 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dogberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another slight hijack, but what is the recommended fluid intake rate during a marathon? Also, how many ounces are typically in the paper cups that they hand out? I am running my first marathon in two weeks, and just want to avoid over- or under-hydration.

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crunningman
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posted Sep-29-2006 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for crunningman   Click Here to Email crunningman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really had no problems at the aid stops at QC. I thought they did a fabulous job. Like any marathon, usually the cups are too full.

Suggestion: Dump half the cup as you are still running, pinch the top and drink. You aren't going to get that much anyway. Chances are you really only need a few good swigs at each stop anyhow.

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