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leon2
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 posted Jun-30-2005 08:51 AM
  
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Originally posted by tigger:
It's well known that obese people should not work in high heat/humidity occupations for the same reason. ... Another factor is age.
Yes, it goes without saying. And that would fall under Benji Durden's statement, "This is not for everyone.". That is why I previously mentioned that we want to put together a spectrum. Heat training involves so many different types of people. Age and physical condition are obviously some of the factors that need to be taken into consideration. Not everyone will be able to do the same amount of work in the heat. But even among older athletes there are varying degrees of fitness, and some can handle more stress than even younger athletes. Ed Whitlock, for example, is a lot fitter than most 73-year-olds, and can run a lot faster than many runners half his age. So there will always be exceptions. We're well aware that heat training is not a one-size-fits-all type of thing. This is the kind of knowledge we want to add to the discussion. How should various runners train in the heat -- if at all. I have something regarding older athletes that I want to add: THE OLDER ATHLETE: EXERCISE IN HOT ENVIRONMENTS
See especially the section: CAN OLDER ATHLETES IMPROVE HEAT LOSS RESPONSES? See also this article from the July 2000 issue of e-tips: Training for Heat. Under # 6 it states:
Older athletes are more sensitive to the effects of heat than are young athletes. One reason is that sweating tends to decline with aging. Aging competitors also tend to lose more water through urination. The bottom line is that older athletes need to be more scrupulous in taking in fluids than do the youngsters.
And I have some information regarding obese athletes and other types of runners - including children. This is from Heat and Athletic Activity
While all athletes must be carefully monitored for signs of heat injury, certain athletes may be more prone to heat stress and deserve special consideration. Among these are out of shape athletes, obese athletes, athletes with chronic diseases such as diabetes and kidney disorders, athletes taking diuretics, antihistamines, antidepressants, and other medications; and athletes who are so eager to please the coach that they may ignore impending symptoms of heat illness. Athletes prone to profuse sweating are also at an increased risk. Remember, too, that children are much more susceptible to hyperthermia than adults because of their reduced ability to regulate body temperature. Children generate more metabolic heat per unit mass; therefore, their sweating capacity is lower. They also have less ability to transfer heat to the skin than adults do.
So hopefully, from all of the articles that have been posted so far, and the contributions to the discussion that have been made from various runners, there is enough information for everyone to make a decision regarding heat training.
[This message has been edited by leon2 (edited Jun-30-2005).]
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AndyHass
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posted Jun-30-2005 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by leon2:So hopefully, from all of the articles that have been posted so far, and the contributions to the discussion that have been made from various runners, there is enough information for everyone to make a decision regarding heat training.
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You started it, now you're trying to kill it? 
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leon2
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posted Jun-30-2005 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by AndyHass:
You started it, now you're trying to kill it?
Not at all. There is still room for more discussion, since there are bound to be some questions, comments, etc. from the material we've compiled so far in this thread. It will take a while for people to digest it all. I have questions myself.[This message has been edited by leon2 (edited Jun-30-2005).]
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maryt
Cool Runner |
posted Jun-30-2005 05:40 PM
Well, at least I'm glad to know I'm not exhibiting signs of being old yet, so far as heat reponses go, assuming my bright red face is inidicative of high skin blood flow (as well as my Scotttish-English ancestors, of course) and my soaked singlet still indicates significant sweating (love all those s- sounds!) 
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Robert Wildes
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posted Jul-01-2005 07:58 AM
Now, at the age of 52, I realize that I have lost some fitness in several fitness categories. It seems logical that a younger person would have an advantage in heat training over that same person as they age.
I really have not noticed any additional problems with heat, but I never ran over 10 miles until after 9/11/01 when I was 49. Manfred Steffny's book, "Marathoning", includes a section in which he states that an older person has an advantage over a younger person in dealing with the heat. I don't recall any scientific studies cited to support his contention, but I do recall that Manfred believed this to be the case.
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joplus
Cool Runner |
posted Jul-01-2005 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by leon2:
I just want to add that one of the best races of my life (my first sub-3 marathon) came after training during the summer in the heat and humidity of Michigan.
West central Florida thumbs its nose in your general direction.
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maryt
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posted Jul-01-2005 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by Robert Wildes:
Manfred Steffny's book, "Marathoning", includes a section in which he states that an older person has an advantage over a younger person in dealing with the heat. I don't recall any scientific studies cited to support his contention, but I do recall that Manfred believed this to be the case.
Do you recall how young and how old? Both ends of the age categories are supposed to have trouble dealing with heat. One of Leon's links says over 60, but others have said maybe even older than that. On the youth side, children are known to have an underdeveloped system for sweating and cooling off compared to adults, but I'm not sure exactly how old they are when they develop an adult's heat tolerance. I know it's one of the reasons given by the International Marathon Medical Directors that marathons should not be run by those under 18, so perhaps sometime mid-teens? Anyway, if Manfred was talking about teens vs up to 50-somethings, the older person on average would have the advantage. But if you go to 30 vs 70, my bet would be on the 30 year old for sure.
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Robert Wildes
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posted Jul-05-2005 07:46 AM
I reread that section after posting the statement by Manfred Steffny. I don't recall him being specific, but tend to agree with your opinion maryt. I think that he was talking about teens versus 40 plus year olds, but probably not 70 year olds.
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leon2
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posted Jul-01-2006 08:08 PM
There is some good information here, so I wanted to bring it back up. Hopefully it will help runners who weren't around when this topic was first started last year.
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Jim24315
Cool Runner |
posted Jul-03-2006 12:34 AM
Good stuff, Leon. You provided many a good piece of info while you were a regular. Too bad they got rid of the search engine.
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Johnny J
Cool Runner |
posted Jul-03-2006 03:28 AM
Good to see you back leon2. I always enjoyed your posts and found some good info. that benefitted my training immensely last summer. I have always had a problem running in the heat but incorporated some heat training last summer and I believe it was a piece of the overall puzzle that helped me make a big step up (or down) in my race times. Have to say though, I sure love the spring and fall to run and now that summer is back with a vengeance I am remembering all too well why I hated the heat to begin with. But welcome back, I look forward to some interesting material from you.
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leon2
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posted Jul-03-2006 11:30 AM
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I make a point of going out to do most of my longer runs in the afternoons, so that I WILL be running in the hottest part of each day.
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Bottom Line: Train all you can in the warm weather and you can be ready for almost anything when you get to the cooler weather of your planned marathon or other long race.
Heat Training and Racing
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