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La Tortuga
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posted Sep-07-2006 03:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for La Tortuga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess that it's my turn to be awake - sadly there is no junk food in the house.

Runmonkey - thanks for the video link

Webfoot - I may read up a bit more about dry hopping or just go for it. Toad Spit stout was my first batch ever and is a Papazian recipe from the Joy of Homebrewing.

Randymar - In "Travels With Barley" there is definitely a mention of a hop bong and a lot more. It is taking me forever to get through this book. It is now 2 weeks overdue to the li-ber-ar-eeeeeeeeeee. Am planning to return it with a a couple of books and hope they waive my fine.

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TrailOBite
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posted Sep-07-2006 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrailOBite   Click Here to Email TrailOBite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Crabs have fingers! I've always suspected this. Are those the actual fingers you consumed? The menu sounds great. I love reading menus.
Have never been to Cape May but wish to go some time.

Ran like a dead dog last night. No idea why but just struggled the whole way. Most of the hashers were there,and we set up our party table ( an ancient old wooden ironing board, complete with decorations, candles, food, wine ). Some singing ensued,and a plan to drive "straight to Mount Rushmore and back" in a long weekend was plotted. It seems that you cannot get there from here, via plane or train.(Until very recently, one could not get to Boston directly, either). I'd like to see Mt Rushmore, but not from an RV full of drunken hashers who haven't slept for days.

Work beckons- our dept head has given her notice and there are celebrations afoot. Clandestine acts of rejoicing, while we crank in some traceable work production, have begun.

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La Tortuga
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posted Sep-07-2006 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for La Tortuga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Haven't found any info on dry-hopping a stout. being a research nurse, I will now need to brew two batches - one dry-hopped and not the other - measure things, write them down, taste and compare. If it isn't a common practice, there may be a very good reason why - I will let you know.

In the meantime I have to figfure out how to knit argyle - a pirates favortie pattern - arrrrrrrrrrr.

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randymar
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posted Sep-07-2006 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for randymar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by La Tortuga:
Am planning to return it with a a couple of books and hope they waive my fine.

Wear something cute and/or menacing - your Patty Hearst outfit, perhaps???

I generally don't worry about late fees, since we can renew on-line; plus, one of the librarians goes to my church and sits a couple rows ahead of us at 11:30 Mass.

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Life is Short ... Make Fun of It.

400 Beers

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webfoot
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posted Sep-07-2006 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for webfoot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by La Tortuga:
Haven't found any info on dry-hopping a stout. being a research nurse, I will now need to brew two batches - one dry-hopped and not the other - measure things, write them down, taste and compare. If it isn't a common practice, there may be a very good reason why - I will let you know.


here you go;

http://www.howtobrew.com/section1/chapter5-1.html

Highly recommend picking up his book. Papazian is great, but this guy just plain rocks! (3rd edition 2006, but "first" one in print, other two "editions" are web published.)

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webfoot
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posted Sep-07-2006 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for webfoot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
apologies in advance, link to "dry hopping" not "dry hopping a stout"

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TrailOBite
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posted Sep-07-2006 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrailOBite   Click Here to Email TrailOBite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Being me, dry-hopping a stout conjures up a vastly different mental image for me than the rest of you, I am quite sure.Am imagining an amusing array of possibilities......

So....you can dry hop. Can you wet hop, too, is that the norm? Do we ever "just hop"? Are there hopless beers?

I am so beery ignorant. I do like the argyle/pirate connection.Have always wondered why pirates say Arrrrrrrrr!

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La Tortuga
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posted Sep-07-2006 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for La Tortuga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
webfoot - thanks for the link and book suggestion. I just cleaned out a bunch of old brewing info that I had hanging around and now have room for another book!

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La Tortuga
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posted Sep-07-2006 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for La Tortuga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know that I have brought up in-law beer in the past, but that won't stop me from repeating myself.

After 7 hours in the car, we walk into my wonderful Mother-in-law's house. Tired and road weary, I reach into the fridge not really caring if it is a Molson Golden, Labatts Blue or Genesee Cream Ale.

However this time I was in for a surprise. BIL walked in with a 6-pack of Victory Devil Hop - or so I thought. It was actually better than that - it was home brew!!!

He gets some kind of award for that one!

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TrailOBite
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posted Sep-07-2006 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrailOBite   Click Here to Email TrailOBite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is very cool, LT! Wegman's now carries the Victory beers and Consumer's has a vast array of the very beers all of you have mentioned here.
We're moving up, beerwise, in Buffalo. That makes up for all of the other deficiencies, minorly.

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randymar
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posted Sep-07-2006 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for randymar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TrailOBite:
Have always wondered why pirates say "Arrrrrrrrr"!

Pirates have a problem with authority; they can't accept a subordinate role. To say, "Aye!" would acknowledge another sailor as superior.

To circumvent this, we say "Arrrrr!"; this communicates receipt of the order or request and prompt execution thereof, without either party losing face and or rank.

Oh, plus, prolonged exposure to salt air tends to build up a lot of phlegm.

The Backyardigans - "A Pirate Says Arrr!"

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La Tortuga
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posted Sep-07-2006 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for La Tortuga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Love Wegmans - good fish and produce.

I think pirates says arrrrrrrrrrrr because their socks don't fit - argyle is a difficult pattern and pulls in the diameter.

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FunkyGuitarGirl
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posted Sep-07-2006 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FunkyGuitarGirl   Click Here to Email FunkyGuitarGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
::::: slowly backing out of the thread mindful of not stepping on crab's fingers or pirate's toes:::::

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webfoot
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posted Sep-07-2006 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for webfoot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't go FGG, they don't mind :-)

So I was grooving on my mixed-carnivore salad at lunch today, really enjoying the sun-dried tomatoes and what not

Then I was thinking about LT and her dry-hop stout experiment... then the sundried tomatoe on my fork beckoned for recognition, and I started thinking about sun-dried tomoatoes "dry-hopped" into a summer ale...(I'm from joisey so I can do dat...ya know, the "garden state" and all that)

Maybe one day... but odds are it will be awful! :-)

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randymar
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posted Sep-07-2006 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for randymar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe DFH's WorldWide Stout is dry-hopped ... at 18% ABV, that's pretty dry.

LT: Ask your buddy Mariah.

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FunkyGuitarGirl
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posted Sep-07-2006 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FunkyGuitarGirl   Click Here to Email FunkyGuitarGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow.. you folks make beer.

mmmmmm....beer. :::Homer drool:::::

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La Tortuga
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posted Sep-07-2006 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for La Tortuga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FGG - not to worry - their tight socks just make the pirates talk in silly high voices.

Modern Home Brew is our local home brew supply store. pretty straight forward so far. One day I went in there and they were brewing pizza beer - a 5 gallon carboy with a slice of pepperoni pizza in it. It has since been taken over by new owners...

Now sun dried tomatoes might be okay as there is no dairy in them...

Mariah - good idea. Although I think that I am already set on trying this.

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TrailOBite
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posted Sep-07-2006 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrailOBite   Click Here to Email TrailOBite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not me, FGG-the only thing I make is my way to the beer store.

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webfoot
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posted Sep-07-2006 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for webfoot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by webfoot:


Weirdest/strange high gravity brew: Brewed "Cherries in the Snow", a papazian recipee. Basic ale but brewed with 10 lbs of sour cherries (got from farm in michigan via internet search....this was brewed during the winter)

Anyway, 10lbs is a LOT of fermentables, never mind all the malt extract I had in there as well. My blow-off hose ID was not wide enough, cherries start getting stuck...I get a call from work from son #1 (home from school) that the carboy just blew off the top and squirted everything all over the basement. Can hear son #2 laughing his a$$ off in the background. I tell son#1 just to wipe it down and put the cap/hose back on after clearing it out. Get a call 10 min later with same story. Can hear son # 2 is now laughing so hard in background I'm worried he's gonna rupture something....
Tell son# 1 just to cover the top loosley with alluminum foil and I'll deal with it when I get home.

Get home... cherries are strewn all over the place! Wall...floor...I'm picking cherries out of the ceiling! (embedded in soft cheap-home depot tile stuff)

Well, it had such a head of fermentable spooge on it I figured any contaminating microbe would need an outboard moter strapped to its a$$ to make it through that barrier.So I fermented to completion and bottled. Its been 3 months now, have not opened "Mt Vesuvius Cherry Ale" yet...I'll let you know when I do :-)



Well, you win some and you loose some...

Threw back a bottle of Mt Vesuvius Cherry ale the other night....

drum role please...

Bleh! Awful, yuch... Oh well.

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therealman
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posted Sep-07-2006 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for therealman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by webfoot:

Well, you win some and you loose some...

Threw back a bottle of Mt Vesuvius Cherry ale the other night....

drum role please...

Bleh! Awful, yuch... Oh well.


I have wanted to try that recipe. Sorry to hear it didn't come out good. Was the problem the cherries or contamination or just not your thing.

My "World Famous Apple Ale" is brewed with ten pounds of Apples. I decant about a gallon of wort from the fermenter and let it ferment seperately. I usually just use an air lock but sometimes have crap (kraesen) coming up threw it. When that happens I add a hose. I haven't had a problem but then apples are a little bigger than cherries.

LT - What is your question on dry hopping stout?

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FunkyGuitarGirl
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posted Sep-07-2006 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FunkyGuitarGirl   Click Here to Email FunkyGuitarGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If any of the brewers are in the MD/DC/VA area and want a taster, please let me know...

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La Tortuga
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posted Sep-07-2006 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for La Tortuga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TRM - you wanted to try that recipe? I planted two sour cherry trees for that recipe.

Webfoot - are you sure it is really all that bad tasting?

Okay - dry hopping. I planted hop vines a few years ago. This is the first year that I produced a good crop, harvested them before they were brown, dried them and have them in an air tight container. I was planning to brew a stout and thought I would just add them in a cheese cloth bag for the last 2 minutes of the boil. Then I would do a second batch - everything the same except the extra hops at the end. I could then do a comparison.

It seems as if dry hopping is not usually done with a stout and not that I mind trying something new, but then again why waste good ingredients if this is truly a bad idea.

I am not 100% sure what variety they are. I planted four rhizomes of bittering hops and two of aroma. I thought they were ruggles and fuggles. I can’t find anything on ruggles and fuggles can be used for either. I guess most hops can go both ways. So maybe that doesn’t really matter.

[This message has been edited by La Tortuga (edited Sep-07-2006).]

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webfoot
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posted Sep-07-2006 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for webfoot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TRM,
Just being overly dramatic. I brewed Papazian's other sour cherry recipee the month before and it was one of the better beers I made. Guessing subtle contamination and pectin problems in this case.

FGG; wish I could help. Homebrewers are real beer-proud and like to show off our stuff. You being in Md/Va area, your a daytrip from randy's mecca i.e. Dog Fish Head in De (rehobeth???). Actually, scratch that, make it an over-nighter as I don't think your gonna wanna drive after throwing down a 90 min or three....

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webfoot
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posted Sep-07-2006 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for webfoot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by La Tortuga:
TRM I guess most hops can go both ways. So maybe that doesn’t really matter.


[This message has been edited by La Tortuga (edited Sep-07-2006).]


Sounds like some people I know :-)

LT, not THAT bad, just not worth all the effort I put into it.

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therealman
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posted Sep-07-2006 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for therealman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Do you like hop aroma? If so dry hopping won't be a problem. I can't see any harm in dry hopping. I'm not a big stout guy and not a hop head so I'm not the best one to comment.

Give it a try; it should be wonderful.

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