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randymar
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posted Apr-11-2006 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for randymar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by therealman:
... what about the problem of me not being a "commercial" brewery?


Read that part again, carefully, my friend ...

quote:
All commercial breweries are eligible to compete

That means that if SamA or Coors or even Magic Hat, thinks they have something worthy of competiton they can enter it.

Conversely, if you think your Raspberry Wit can beat Magic Hat Batch #487 (which may or may not be a Raspberry Wit, we don't know), you are allowed to compete against them.

It's kind of like you rolling out into the street on your Schwinn StingRay and challenging Lance Armstrong to a wheelie contest.

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La Tortuga
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posted Apr-11-2006 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for La Tortuga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by therealman:
Actually, it is probably best to ship it as soon after bottling as possible. Immediatelly after bottling the beer is flat. The carbination builds over time; requiring about two weeks.

To be honest I don't think the Kolsch will be radical enough. Perhaps the Raspberry Vanilla Wit or Christmas Cheer.

Not what about the problem of me not being a "commercial" brewery?


Oh requirements - I see - yes that is a problem indeed. Now indeed I was thinking that a less stringent competition may be more fun - indeed. Perhaps that annual Somerville Beer and Peep festival. That indeed could be very good. I believe they too require a two bottle minimum of all submissions.

Indeed already, with the "indeeds."

[This message has been edited by La Tortuga (edited Apr-11-2006).]

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randymar
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posted Apr-11-2006 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for randymar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by therealman:
... what about the problem of me not being a "commercial" brewery?


Also check out the low, low "entry fee"

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The entry fee is the low, low price of one piece of swag (such as a T-shirt) per entry, with a maximum of two entries. We'd like comparable to a six-pack of beer to judge.

What's it costing you to run Boston???

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La Tortuga
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posted Apr-11-2006 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for La Tortuga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by randymar:
It's kind of like you rolling out into the street on your Schwinn StingRay and challenging Lance Armstrong to a wheelie contest.

incroyable

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randymar
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posted Apr-11-2006 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for randymar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Cara Mia!!! That French!!! It makes my heart race!!!

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randymar
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posted Apr-11-2006 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for randymar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by La Tortuga:
Perhaps that annual Somerville Beer and Peep festival. That indeed could be very good. I believe they too require a two bottle minimum of all submissions.

Is that the one where you get all drunk and look through people's windows with night vision goggles and digital cameras???

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therealman
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posted Apr-11-2006 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for therealman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by randymar:
What's it costing you to run Boston???


$75 I think, <checks check book> $95. They keep changing it. But that is less than $4 per mile.

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randymar
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posted Apr-11-2006 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for randymar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Or what, 50¢ a minute???

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angrek
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posted Apr-11-2006 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angrek   Click Here to Email angrek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by randymar:
No chance of slipping some BBChocoStout in there???

*blows a whistle and throws a flag*

BBChocoStout?

I drink Youngs Double Chocolate Stout....what is this BBChocoStout you speak of?!?

*waits patiently*

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angrek
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posted Apr-11-2006 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angrek   Click Here to Email angrek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by randymar:
Hey, thanks for coming in.

Nice choice by the way. Stick around 'til October for the annual Spaten/Hacker-Pschorr/Paulaner Oktoberfest debate.

It's loads of fun.


Hmmm. I can't wait. I actually went to college a few blocks from the Paulaner brewing company in Munich years and years ago.

*daydreams about biergartens*

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randymar
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posted Apr-12-2006 08:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for randymar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
<<<This Just In>>>

Monday, April 24 @ 7 pm
Redbones Beer Dinner with guest speaker/brewer Garrett Oliver of Brooklyn Brewery. $40.00 per person. Plan ahead. Reserve now. Somerville, MA

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randymar
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posted Apr-12-2006 08:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for randymar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by angrek:
BBChocoStout?

Brooklyn Black Chocolate Stout.

A seasonal from the above mentioned Garret Oliver and Brooklyn Brewery.

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La Tortuga
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posted Apr-12-2006 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for La Tortuga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by angrek:
Hmmm. I can't wait. I actually went to college a few blocks from the Paulaner brewing company in Munich years and years ago.

*daydreams about biergartens*


Spaten Munich beer
Born in 1397
A brewing tradition
Equivalent to heaven

In Bavaria was brewed
Under the Sedlmayr name
With German purity laws
Lived three centuries of fame

So you can take your Hacker-Pschorr
Your Paulaner - your Bass
Or any other piss-poor brew
And – well you get the idea…


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randymar
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posted Apr-12-2006 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for randymar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
... Shove them up your NASCAR???

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randymar
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posted Apr-12-2006 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for randymar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by randymar:
Or what, 50¢ a minute???

I've done the math, and the faster you go (i.e., the less time it takes to run) the higher your cost per minute is.

YMMV

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La Tortuga
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posted Apr-12-2006 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for La Tortuga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by randymar:
YMMV

What does that mean again?

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randymar
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posted Apr-12-2006 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for randymar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Your Mileage May Vary"

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randymar
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posted Apr-12-2006 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for randymar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by angrek:
*daydreams about biergartens*

That would make an interesting Indian name.

Or would we say Native American???

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La Tortuga
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posted Apr-12-2006 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for La Tortuga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by randymar:
... Shove them up your NASCAR???

Yes - that is exactly what this poem needed!

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randymar
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posted Apr-12-2006 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for randymar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thursday, April 20

Special Release Dogfish Head Beer Dinner Come to the Kinsale at 7 pm for a four-course dinner pairing the beers of Dogfish Head - with two 2 SPECIAL RELEASE brews* making their debut: Golden Shower Imperial Pilsner served with Imported and Domestic Cheeses and Smoked Meats; Aprihop paired with Bombay Spring Rolls with an Aprihop Dipping Sauce; 90 Minute IPA served with Pork Tenderloin Roulade stuffed with sun dried cherries and mushrooms, presented with Roquefort Potato Cake and a port wine reduction; Immort Ale paired with Caramel Apple Fritters with Immort Ale Glaze. $35/per person and reservations via email or phone are a must.

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La Tortuga
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posted Apr-12-2006 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for La Tortuga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by randymar:
[b]Thursday, April 20

Special Release Dogfish Head Beer Dinner Come to the Kinsale at 7 pm for a four-course dinner pairing the beers of Dogfish Head - with two 2 SPECIAL RELEASE brews* making their debut: Golden Shower Imperial Pilsner served with Imported and Domestic Cheeses and Smoked Meats; Aprihop paired with Bombay Spring Rolls with an Aprihop Dipping Sauce; 90 Minute IPA served with Pork Tenderloin Roulade stuffed with sun dried cherries and mushrooms, presented with Roquefort Potato Cake and a port wine reduction; Immort Ale paired with Caramel Apple Fritters with Immort Ale Glaze. $35/per person and reservations via email or phone are a must. [/B]


I want this dinner - incredible - they have everything - even a Carmel Apple Fritter.

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La Tortuga
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posted Apr-12-2006 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for La Tortuga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Golden Shower Imperial Pilsner
Availability: 750 ml and draft - Limited availability

Release Date: March 2006


Golden Shower is brewed with all continental pilsner malt and hopped with the finest noble hops.

This beer is dry-hopped in the conditioning tank for 8 weeks.

Approx 9% ABV

80 IBU

Dogfish Head Golden Shower
The Imperial Pilsner that stands up against fake-pilsner imperialism!

In the middle of the nineteenth century, in a land that is now the Czech Republic, the Pilsner beer style was born. The soft local water, the bottom-fermenting Bavarian Yeast, the local hops and the lightly toasted barley made it beloved the world over.

Unfortunately, the industrial breweries here in America have spent the better part of a century diluting and b@stardizing this beer style to its hardly recognizable current state of existence. Over three quarters of the beer made and consumed in America is sold as Pilsner. But it doesn't have the alcohol content or the crisp, bracing, hop character of the old world standard. In fact, it doesn"t even have the same ingredients.

The big breweries have done such an amazing job of telling people what they want to drink through billions of dollars in marketing that theyve convinced the world to drink their beer too cold and too light. They brainwashed most of us into thinking the lighter a beer is the more refreshing and satisfying it will be. The way they make their beer light is by reducing the percentage of the higher-quality, more-expensive base grain - barley, which was the exclusive source of fermentable sugar in the original pilsners. By replacing a large fraction of barley with cheaper sugar sources like rice and corn these brewers could make beer a lot less expensively (which leaves more money left over for advertising). These cheaper ingredients make the beer so light that it couldn't possibly be offensive to anyone. How can something designed to be completely inoffensive to everyone be worth coveting by anyone? Today the average American is bombarded with over a million advertising appeals every year. The big breweries are as guilty of any company in any industry of brainwashing the consumer through the sheer oppressive magnitude and breadth of their marketing efforts. They are selling a brand name and an image with such zeal that they have forgotten about the product behind all of this horsesh!t and hyperbole - the beer itself.

Dogfish Head Golden Shower is the beer itself. A true Pilsner brewed with 100% Pilsner Barley, and impressively hopped using our self-developed continuing-hopping method. At 9% abv it's also nearly twice as strong as the American, wanna-be pilsners made by the big boys.

The advertising campaign for Golden Shower...

NO ADVERTISING.

As we launch this beer in April of 2006 we are committed to seeing it succeed. We've watched what half-billion dollar marketing campaigns and million-dollar-a-minute ads have done for the Pilsner beer style in this country thus far and we're not impressed. We might be wrong, but, if spending stupid amounts of advertising dollars has diluted the Pilsner to its current anemic state, then we think our best hope to reconstitute the style is to spend zero dollars advertising our Golden Shower Imperial Pilsner. We won't buy an ad, make a t-shirt, a neon, a hat, or a key-chain and certainly not a blimp that promotes this beer. We've made this press release, and we'll send out complimentary samples to the press and to beer festivals but that is all we will do to market and promote this beer. We are confident that we have found the magic secret to selling something that you want people to drink...

INSTEAD OF MAKING IT INOFFENSIVE MAKE IT TASTE GOOD!

Nobody should believe that Dogfish Head Golden Shower tastes good... until they try it. Why should they? Not many people are going to try it because, without a traditional marketing campaign, it's going to be hard to find for a long time. But a small group of people who trust their taste enough to decide what to drink for themselves (instead of listening to the advice of their televisions) are going to find a Golden Shower and try it and we're pretty sure they are going to like it. And we are hopeful that they will tell other good-beer enthusiasts about it and that they will try it and like it too. And then there will be hundreds (but probably never thousands or millions - because our brewery isn't that big) of Golden Showers opened and enjoyed every day in defiance of monstrous marketing campaigns and miniature fake pilsners and the world will be a better place for it.

We have every intention of not advertising for and not marketing this beer& ON A GLOBAL SCALE!!!!

Dogfish Head has shared our recipe for Golden Shower with the 500 year-old Herold Brewery in the Czech Republic - the birthplace of the Pilsner beer style. Using our very aggressive negotiating tactics we've worked out a sweet deal. They are not paying us one cent for our recipe, even though it's a really good recipe (but please don't take our word for it). The only thing we have asked for from the Herold Brewery is that they too commit to spending no money advertising or promoting their version of Golden Shower.

Can a brewery really survive with little or no advertising or marketing?

Yup. Dogfish Head Craft Brewery has averaged over 50% revenue growth for the last three years and we are on the Inc. 500 list of the fastest growing private companies in America. We've achieved all of this even though our beers are among the strongest in alcohol and most expensive in the world. We do this by paying more attention to the quality of our beer then we do about creating an image or buying mind and market-share. We spend about 2% of our annual revenue on marketing or advertising any of our beers or any aspect of our company and yet we continue to grow stronger every day. And we are not alone. In 2005 overall beer sales in America grew less than one percent. Wine sales and Liquor sales were up around 4%. But craft beer sales were up 9% this past year; making ours the fastest growing adult beverage segment in the country. There are over 1400 craft breweries in America that contributed to this growth. Hardly any of us have sizable advertising campaigns to speak of. But then again we don't make our beer with cheaper ingredients like corn and rice either. What we do have is a growing, grassroots army of beer enthusiasts by our sides who have chosen quality over hype and are helping us spread the word. We wouldn't waste our Golden Shower on the kind of beer drinker who decides what to drink based on which brewery spends the most on advertising and the least on ingredients, we brewed it for the rest of us.

Cheers!

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La Tortuga
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posted Apr-12-2006 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for La Tortuga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by La Tortuga:
Can a brewery really survive with little or no advertising or marketing?

Yes - if your beer is listed on this blog!

http://400beers.blogspot.com/

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randymar
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posted Apr-13-2006 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for randymar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the plug, Princess, but I think you and I are the only ones reading it.

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La Tortuga
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posted Apr-13-2006 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for La Tortuga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You think? Get a counter and see if you are correct.

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