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dg9 Cool Runner	posted Apr-30-2007 02:27 PM Tom, thanks for kindly saying I've been going about this right, I feel like I've been doing it wrong since the beginning. Largely, because I have! but I'm trying. So I get the idea when you thought 4 days might be good you were including cross training.. I might try 2 running days together but very cautiously. ( & prepared to Rock.... ) My back was so bad after my Sunday yard work frenzy, this morning at the end of my dragging 3.31 miles, i caught myself saying outloud 'ouch, ouch, ouch...'. Saturday I did 5.5? miles. Probably too much, but I was determined to make 5. Breath Counting helped both days, for one thing, just to keep me from breathing too shallowly. I loved your post on the daily this morning. laughed out loud, something I don't do too often. a nice thing was that Saturday, even though I was pushing, there were a few times when I got into that zone where you're cruising & just loving it. :-) I think/hope I'll be better at non-stooopid training when I get used to being able to do things again. Now, it's intoxicating. even as I hobble around. I wonder how much a factor age is in this whole thing. or, how much you can get around it. we need more days in a week. any ideas how? Patty, thanks for your feedback. The 2-3 months I was off was due to cardiovascular symptoms. Doing a load of laundry was a big accomplishment. It came on suddenly, but seems to be ok now. If the 4 days is too much, I will do what you did.. almost am now, just that I run eod, cross train in between, & try to take a day off. But the days change every week, & there's too much to fit in to have things so haphazard. I will try to make the crosstraining days count more, I think the strength would help my running. Back & sacroilliac joint problems are what hold me back the most there. Anything you think of, I'd love to hear. -- I'm glad you liked the hats! I love your idea, then if I forget which run I'm doing, I'll just check the hat. too long again, & scattered I know, posting from work, scrolling up & down the posts. out of sync. thanks so much again for the warm welcome & the help. more good luck to Shell, Linda, another woohoo! IP: Logged
Live and Learn Cool Runner	posted May-01-2007 12:44 AM Ok the RR is posted on Boomers: here's the link My RR IP: Logged
tomwhite Cool Runner	posted May-01-2007 09:09 AM IP//......good work on the trails,,,,,,,maybe try not lifting your feet as high and see if that helps the Bad Leg,,,,,,,also helps your balance so you don't fall.........go easy, and good work-out,,,, SHELL//.......way to go..........just make sure you're having fun too,,,,,,your mileage is very impressive, but don't run hurt, skip a couple if you need to.... .......that said, great running....... LL//....hey, if you're not hurt,,,,,,you did good,,,,,,,posted my congratulations at the RR, but very nice job, and good self control on the Run..... ........nice going...... DG//......nice going on the 5-er,,,,,as to the Back Problems, try landing more ''mid-foot'' if that's comfortable for you,,,,,this is Landing Soft,,,,,,if you do it right, you can barely hear your foot-strikes, also mess around with landing on toes as a shock absorber for your back,,,,,,for me, mid-foot is easier on my back...... ..........if you can Do 4-days running, by all means do it,,,just do the extra days easier, less speed, less distance,,,,,if the Back hurts, forget I just said that,,,,,,, ..........ok guys//............looking good going into Summer, just don't hurt yourselves, and cross-train if you need to..... ........enjoy the work-outs..... ------------------ nothing takes the place of persistance.... IP: Logged
Irish Patty Cool Runner	posted May-01-2007 10:20 AM Hello all, Another morning without a run or crosstraining. I did bring my gymbag with me and, hopefully, will get in a run tonight. I had thought I was okay, but my leg is still not 100%. It is much better than yesterday though. I've been slacking too much. I need to get back into my groove. Patty IP: Logged
shellfarm Cool Runner	posted May-01-2007 05:46 PM well mother nature decide to screw with my plans yesterday so ended up on the DM and could only stomach 3...so today I ran 8 and it was a battle royal...nothing good about it. Tomorrow is a rest...so maybe Thursday will be better. IP: Logged
dg9 Cool Runner	posted May-01-2007 07:03 PM ((( Patty & Shell ))) Thanks Tom, I will try both of those. ...'forget' is something I do well. sorry about your back.. I hope today's effort helped. Linda.. good job at listening to your body & to Tom's words of wisdom. I think if I heard Tom's voice I'd just give him the ball. ;-) IP: Logged
Live and Learn Cool Runner	posted May-02-2007 01:06 AM Shell - rest up! Thanks all for the nice comments on my RR Tonight I ran 2 miles on the treadmill at 4.0, 30 minutes... much easier than last Thursday. I didn't feel the need to push it, I'm now following my new plan : -2 days a week running, easy starting at 2 miles, 4.0 on TM -2 days a week weight machines -1 day a week (maybe 2 when I feel stronger, but for now really need the weight machines)... long run outside starting at 3 miles I feel a calmness about running, not pressure to push myself to do better... I think that's a good sign.. maybe I've learned the lesson about what the difference between want & need is. I reduced my steroids back down to the maintenance dose today & was fine... guess I made it through this respiratory infection with flying colors, will have to remember my strategy on this. Tom - did I read your back is acting up again? IP: Logged
tomwhite Cool Runner	posted May-02-2007 09:49 AM IP//.......good call, Always take care of the Hurt Parts,,,,,,,they have Other Ways of telling you to ease up..... ........you might just wanna Swim Only til it feels better...... .........Rest and Heal......... SHELL//.......what is a DM??...... .....................sounds like a good time to throw in a Dirt Run.......or just run for the Amount of Time you should have, just un-timed and Out-and-Back......jazz it up a little bit..... .........use a Mantra, count your Steps, time it to your Breaths, any Distraction Technique might help,,,,,,,just don't want you Burning Out....... .......and remember, Bad Work-Outs count Double,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,nice running,,,,,,, DG//.........yes, if you EVER hear my voice in your Head, just hum the Flying Monkey Song from the Wizzard of Oz........(it hates it when you do that)...... LL//..........GOOD PLAN........and Very Good running......this should help you get better at both, and let your body rest up for the next effort........switching Muscle Groups has always been a Smart Way to train.......I think you'll like it.... .........Good Thinkin'.......... .....................(yep, the 8-hours of Sitting at the Seminar ALWAYS makes my back hurt, so I had planeed a Re-Hab Week til Thursday just to let it ease up.... ..................One of the Few Things in Life that's predictable)....... ..........ok guys//.........put your Thinking Hats On........what are you doing right??.......and what needs changing??...... ----------if you're enjoying the work-out, you're doing it Right---- --------------if you're Not,,,,,CHANGE SOMETHING------- ------------------ nothing takes the place of persistance.... IP: Logged
shellfarm Cool Runner	posted May-02-2007 11:30 AM Tom...DM=Dreadmill=Treadmill IP: Logged
Irish Patty Cool Runner	posted May-02-2007 12:26 PM Hello all, I did swim last night (20 laps). This am I ran approximately 2 miles. Tonight I hope to swim a mile. Tom I hope the rehab is coming along well. Patty IP: Logged
tomwhite Cool Runner	posted May-03-2007 11:22 AM SHELL//.......duh, I shudda known that.......... IP//.......nice work-out, easy on that leg,,,,,,,,we got good weather coming up, don't wanna get sidelined.... ,,,,,,,thanks for the re-hab wishes, it's just something to work around, it isn't gonna get better, so I'm working on a Training Schedule that strengthens the muscle groups, and Running Technique that minimizes impact...... .................no biggie, the torn ankle-ligaments were actually worse to work-out around.... ------------------ nothing takes the place of persistance.... [This message has been edited by tomwhite (edited May-03-2007).] IP: Logged
shellfarm Cool Runner	posted May-03-2007 11:35 AM ok...so todays run...I just ran...no watch, no garmin, no water, cell phone, all I had to go on was the markers. I had to make stuff up in my head. It was funny! IP: Logged
tomwhite Cool Runner	posted May-03-2007 12:29 PM SHELL//........excellent,,,,,,,,,this is how us Old Timers used to run in the Dark Ages........ ............now, buy a Tie-Dyed Shirt and listen to ''StairWay to Heaven'' for the rest of the day........ ...........nice running........ ------------------ nothing takes the place of persistance.... IP: Logged
Irish Patty Cool Runner	posted May-03-2007 02:20 PM Psychedelic man!! Linda I just noticed in your previous post you wrote about being more comfortable in your running. That is so important. I hope that is how it continues for you. Like Tom says that is what you need in order for it to be a life long habit. Shell nice run. Every once in a while we need that kind of run. I think that is one reason I enjoyed my trail run so much. I had no expectations going in. It also helps keep you from overtraining. We can get into a rut too easily. Well I swam 28 laps last night. I wanted to do more but the combo of the goggles being too tight & a bathroom break made that the most I did. I might go again & try for a mile tonight. If not no big deal. I ran this morning about 2 miles again. This time I threw a couple hills into the mix. I think my breathing is finally getting better. Tomorrow will be crosstraining. Oh and the leg is good. It was probably a bit of overuse not a strain or pull. I just favored it a bit in the trail run. Have a good day all. Patty IP: Logged
tomwhite Cool Runner	posted May-03-2007 07:35 PM IP//.......nice going on the 28 laps........sounds like a LOT////.....and glad to hear the leg is better....... ........(just watch where you Step on the Cool Down)...... ...........nice work-out......... ------------------ nothing takes the place of persistance.... IP: Logged
Irish Patty Cool Runner	posted May-04-2007 09:32 AM Hello, The slacking continues. Today I didn't do my crosstraining. It kinda feels like another lost week. Next week no slacking. I mean it this time. Thank goodness I don't get paid for this or I'd be in trouble. As it is I'm just supposed to enjoy myself. It's the accomplishment I enjoy and sometimes the run. See Tom your in my head too. Have a good day. Patty IP: Logged
tomwhite Cool Runner	posted May-04-2007 07:54 PM IP//........gee, I need to get out of Everybody's Head....... ........anyway, Slacking is a LOT like Resting,,,,,,,think of it as an investment in your NEXT work-out....... .......and we both know you're gonna work-out again soon, so just enjoy......... ------------------ nothing takes the place of persistance.... [This message has been edited by tomwhite (edited May-05-2007).] IP: Logged
dg9 Cool Runner	posted May-04-2007 09:39 PM way past my bedtime, just a small result from the thinking cap project. i did the 2 side by side runs this week, i think that will work. BUT the second one I skipped the warm up walk part (one of my clever methods to save time & make it shorter ;-) ) & tried just running slowly to start. That I don't think works. fwiw. IP: Logged
tomwhite Cool Runner	posted May-05-2007 09:38 AM DG//........yup, it just takes a little messing around with at first,,,,,,,,warm-up, slow jog, stretches, it varies from person to person,,, ,,,,,,,,,,glad you can do 2-in a rows.......as long as it doesn't hurt, you're doing it right.......nice job.......... ..............enjoy your work-outs........ ------------------ nothing takes the place of persistance.... IP: Logged
Kimble Cool Runner	posted May-05-2007 04:27 PM Hi everyone! Just wanted to see if everyone's well on this thread! I haven't been here for a while - sorry! I see Deb's popped up here - waves and the good thing is we are still all here! Everybody is still running, no matter what the setbacks! That's a really huge thing imo - even if it's two steps forward and one step back - it's still going forwards! Have to say I do enjoy my crosstraining - especially the Pilates! And, you know, I've realized I don't think I'll ever be a marathon runner (but don't quote me on that a year from now!) I think the term "cardio" is key for me, and I want to do 45-60 minutes cardio 5 or 6 times a week. At the moment I'm enjoying running 3 times a week - this fits in well with my schedule and allows me to do other types of cardio - such as spinning, step and cross-trainer. I like the social aspect of doing these in a class. I Do want to be a better runner though (faster!) but the one hour barrier is a big one for me, as any more than that and I get BORED! Anyway, I digress, I've been doing the One Hour Runner, just finished week 2, and it's going really well. I hope I learnt my lesson in C25K and won't push myself too hard too soon, but ... eek! ... can't guarantee it! So far I feel as though I'm running really easily now at 5.2 and I'm planning to adjust my speed only by small increments as and when I feel ready. My goal is still to run the 5K faster than I did. At the end of C25K I did it in 36 mins 35 secs at 5.1 mph. I'm running faster now, but haven't timed myself over the 5K! What I'm wondering is this ... On the OHR the first run every week is 30 minutes. I'm not sure whether to run this time and just increase my speed when I feel ready to, or whether to run 5K (it'll take me about 35 mins at my current pace) and try to improve my time for the 5K (if you follow me!) Any thoughts would be appreciated! Happy running and happy weekend, everyone! Hugs Kimble IP: Logged
tomwhite Cool Runner	posted May-05-2007 05:39 PM KIMBLE//......nice going................on the 30-min, another version of Fartlek is running for the same amount of time or distance, and knowing some days it'll be slower and some faster,,,,,,,,,,try a little Speed for the 30-min if it feels right, breaks up the work-out,,,,,, .....actually, start off easy and speed up about the middle ......see how that works..... ..........nice running, you've done well,,,,,,,,,, .............................................NOW, don't get hurt,,,,,,back it off if you need to,,,,,,, .....enjoy the work-out...... ------------------ nothing takes the place of persistance.... IP: Logged
Kimble Cool Runner	posted May-06-2007 08:28 AM Thanks, Tom, for the idea! Sounds great and actually sounds like making the run fun! I think I will definitely play around with the speed on the 30 minute run. Didn't realize that was what Fartlek is?! Anyway, so I'll try the slower, faster, slower thing - whatever takes my fancy! The other two runs, where I'm building up the time to 40 mins and 60 mins, I'm going to keep my speed where it is! Also, who was it made the point about making cross-training count more? This also is a brilliant idea to build up strength! I've been very conscious that since I've been running I don't push myself hard in spinning or on the elliptical. It takes a lot more to push my heart rate up on these now! makes a mental note to work harder at cross-training! Just a thought - bad backs ... had two bad riding accidents over the years where I've cracked a vertebra in my "tail" bone. The very best exercize for bad backs imo is Pilates - it's so safe for the back, and builds up core stability - all the muscles that support the back. I've hardly had any backache since I started Pilates about 6 years ago. It's wonderful exercize! Have a wonderful weekend, everyone! Kimble IP: Logged
Live and Learn Cool Runner	posted May-06-2007 10:26 AM Kimble - have you run outside yet? it would be interesting to see how fast your body wants to go.... you are doing great! I think the running comfortable at 5.2 is you building endurance. Be patient... typically I would increase the speed on the TM when I felt too comfortable (or ideally)... outside your body does it for you. My experience is I need to slow myself down outside. As for me, after Tuesday & my run, I coughed up some gunk again... I don't know if its a new infection, or not completely healed from the first one. I had decreased steroids, so I increased again & rested Wed, Thurs, Fri. Yesterday I went to the Y & did weight machines & 15 minute warmup on TM. 10 min walking, 5 min run @4.0... coughing once in awhile & the run really stirred up the mucous.. planned to run a little today outside, maybe I should just walk.. not sure. It seems like this time I'm not coughing as much, so am wondering if its still part of the same infection? well guess I wasn't ready to run on Tuesday afterall... IP: Logged
tomwhite Cool Runner	posted May-06-2007 03:42 PM KIMBLE//.......actually ''Fartlek'' has multiple definitions, when I read Nurmi in the 70's the tranlation was ''Work-Play''.......I've never wanted to change it...... .........hope you enjoy Your Work-Play..... .......as to the Bad Back, I've tried a couple of Pilates DVDs and found I had to be in SHAPE to do Pilates,,,,,,,those little suckers really pump it/////......maybe a ''101'' version might be what I need..... ...................have been doing Yoga since the 60's and while (obviously) not a Cure-All, it relieves the pain most of the time.... LL//......good advise on the switch-over..............sorry to hear about the Gunk......(Use the Gadget)...... .......as to the Outside Walk/Run-------''When in Doubt, Don't''-------- ......(not exactly a ''Just Do It'', but usually the right call) ......when you're Ready, you'll know...... ....................Plug On..........(and give your Body some Recovery Time)...... .......remember, you get 156 Runs a Year, and it's not even Mid-Year...... you got Time////// ------------------ nothing takes the place of persistance.... IP: Logged
Kimble Cool Runner	posted May-06-2007 05:26 PM Yes, Pilates is hard work! Harder than most people think! But each exercize can be done at a different intensity -they all work! - you have to do the level that's appropriate for you! Like running! winks Mwah! Kimble IP: Logged

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