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Snooze Traveler
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 posted May-01-2007 01:45 PM
   
Couple of questions....What is the best way to lessen (or make easier) the "pain and suffering" of your legs between the bike and run? How much food do people really pack and eat during the cycling? Do you carry it with you the whole time?
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TriBob
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posted May-01-2007 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by Snooze Traveler:
Couple of questions....What is the best way to lessen (or make easier) the "pain and suffering" of your legs between the bike and run? weekly brick workouts, 10-20 minute run off the long bike How much food do people really pack and eat during the cycling? Do you carry it with you the whole time? sprint and Oly, sports drink. longer races include solid food (bars, banana, figs, lots of personal stuff). Carry it on bike. Check out Bento Box for your top tube.
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Dougie Fresh
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posted May-01-2007 02:57 PM
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Those speeds are not necessarily so if he's running 650c wheels, but I agree it sounds like you just need to improve your RPMs.
... and get something not a 17 yr old Fuji touring bike with 48/38/28 chainrings too? 
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TriBob
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posted May-01-2007 03:08 PM
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... and get something not a 17 yr old Fuji touring bike with 48/38/28 chainrings too?
Who needs gears. Get a Penny Farthing. ------------------
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DawnT
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posted May-01-2007 03:10 PM
I don't use a HR monitor while racing. I sometimes use it while training.On my rides, I use a feed bottle of Infinit (concentrated Infinit dissolved in water). I put 5 - 6 scoops into a bottle and mix with water. Then, I drink that every 15 to 20 minutes and chase with plain water. That's pretty much my nutrition on the bike. I aim for 200 - 300 calories an hour. For long rides, I bring a Clif bar along and eat it about 3/4 of the way through the ride.
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picchk
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posted May-01-2007 03:11 PM
What exactly are "masters swim workouts"? How do they differ from lessons? How do you get involved/find them?
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TriBob
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posted May-01-2007 03:26 PM
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What exactly are "masters swim workouts"? How do they differ from lessons? How do you get involved/find them?
They are a group workout with a coach only providing general critiquing. Check your gym and http://www.usms.org/ for a group near you.
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HarryLime
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posted May-01-2007 05:15 PM
Are you supposed to carry a bike repair kit (tire irons, CO2 cartridges, spare tub, etc) on you during the bike portion of a tri?Also, in the typical T1 area, how long do you typically have to walk with your bike wearing your clip-in shoes? If it's a long way before you can hop on your bike, should you just walk barefoot then put on your shoes? My Profile
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DawnT
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posted May-01-2007 05:55 PM
Are you supposed to carry a bike repair kit (tire irons, CO2 cartridges, spare tub, etc) on you during the bike portion of a tri?
I think most people do. Some people don't carry it during sprints, but they are basically rolling the dice. If you flat, then your race is over. On some courses, there are bike mechanics out there to help you, but these are usually on long course events and god only knows when they'll get to you.Also, in the typical T1 area, how long do you typically have to walk with your bike wearing your clip-in shoes? If it's a long way before you can hop on your bike, should you just walk barefoot then put on your shoes?
In most races that I've done, it's only about 30 - 50 meters to the bike start line (sometimes less). In that case, most people just walk in their bike shoes. I did a 1/2 IM last year where we had to walk quite a ways (I'd say about 200 meters). Many people walked/trotted in barefeet and then put on their shoes after the walk. A few people have their shoes clipped into their pedals and they put them on as they pedal. I am way to clumsy to even attempt that.
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picchk
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posted May-01-2007 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by TriBob:
They are a group workout with a coach only providing general critiquing. Check your gym and http://www.usms.org/ for a group near you.
Thanks! I found a group that I'll be able to try out in July. btw....thanks for starting this thread....I'm learning a lot of random info that could be quite useful!
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picchk
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posted May-01-2007 06:34 PM
Ok....so I'm planning on doing my 1st 5k this weekend as my 'graduation' from the C25K plan.However, I'm currently jogging 2.5 miles in 28 min. If I'm able to maintain this same pace through the race, honestly, will I be the slowest person there? I didn't think this would bother me initially, but now that I'm getting closer, I'm debating if I should wait until the next race comes around in a month.
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purple hayes
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posted May-01-2007 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by picchk:
Ok....so I'm planning on doing my 1st 5k this weekend as my 'graduation' from the C25K plan.However, I'm currently jogging 2.5 miles in 28 min. If I'm able to maintain this same pace through the race, honestly, will I be the slowest person there? I didn't think this would bother me initially, but now that I'm getting closer, I'm debating if I should wait until the next race comes around in a month.
No, you'll beat the walkers for sure.
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HarryLime
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posted May-01-2007 07:11 PM
Thanks Dawn for all the advice. You've been very helpful. I think I'm definitely going to paste this whole entire thread into a Word file. Lot of good info here I wouldn't wanna lose. Yet another question: the group rides people on this forum are always mentioning, do you do these with a tri club or a biking club? How fast or experienced do you need to be to join one of these groups. Also, what exactly is a tri club? I'm obviously aware that it's a group associated for triathlon purposes but what exactly do you do? Are these recommended? [Edited to add more questions]
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melonella
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posted May-01-2007 08:00 PM
How does one replenish their supply of their liquid fuel (e.g. Accelerade) while on the course? For example, I have 2 bottle holders that will each carry 24oz, so that makes for roughly 480cal of fuel from Accelerade. I will need closer to 1200-1400 cal on my HIM bike and ingestion of solids/gels (which I have no problem with) requires water which would mean I'd have to not carry as much Accelerade in order to carry water. Do I....a) live with Gatorade as my liquid fuel since that's what I can grab at bottle handups
b) time my solid/gel ingestion to coincide with the arrival of a bottle handup where I can grab water, gulp a bunch down, then discard the unused portion
c) figure out how to dump powder into my bottles while aero and mix in water from the bottle handups
d) carry more bottles in my jersey or use a Camelback (what I did last year)
e) something else?
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TriBob
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posted May-01-2007 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by HarryLime:
Thanks Dawn for all the advice. You've been very helpful. I think I'm definitely going to paste this whole entire thread into a Word file. Lot of good info here I wouldn't wanna lose. Yet another question: the group rides people on this forum are always mentioning, do you do these with a tri club or a biking club? How fast or experienced do you need to be to join one of these groups. Also, what exactly is a tri club? I'm obviously aware that it's a group associated for triathlon purposes but what exactly do you do? Are these recommended?
I usually ride with a bike club. Well usually by myself because of schedule. My tri club fell apart. Rides are rated by level. Varies slightly by group. There are usually pace chart for each level. Call the ride leader with any specific questions. Tri clubs schedule workouts for all sports. Open water swims. And just meet up at races. Our fell apart because we were so spread out geographically.
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TriBob
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posted May-01-2007 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by melonella:
How does one replenish their supply of their liquid fuel (e.g. Accelerade) while on the course? For example, I have 2 bottle holders that will each carry 24oz, so that makes for roughly 480cal of fuel from Accelerade. I will need closer to 1200-1400 cal on my HIM bike and ingestion of solids/gels (which I have no problem with) requires water which would mean I'd have to not carry as much Accelerade in order to carry water. Do I....a) live with Gatorade as my liquid fuel since that's what I can grab at bottle handups
b) time my solid/gel ingestion to coincide with the arrival of a bottle handup where I can grab water, gulp a bunch down, then discard the unused portion
c) figure out how to dump powder into my bottles while aero and mix in water from the bottle handups
d) carry more bottles in my jersey or use a Camelback (what I did last year)
e) something else?
Not d. to much weight. Which variation you use is up to you. Another option is to have a bottle of accelerade concentrate. Take a sip of this and wash it down with water. Your concentrate should last the whole race and you only need to pick up more water at the aid stations. Personnally, I rely on gel and water later in the race. ------------------
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Mobius
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posted May-02-2007 10:28 AM
I seem to recall in a previous thread that in bike racing you have to have your arms (shoulders?) covered. Is that not true of triathlons? I see a lot of shoulder-less trisuits.
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4boysmom
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posted May-02-2007 11:24 AM
What's the point/advantage to bib shorts? I'm just touring, but like to keep POJ stops as short as possible. I'm thinking it would take longer to get into and out of bibs. Unless you guys just pee yourselves???What's the difference between tri shorts and regular cycling shorts?
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TriBob
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posted May-02-2007 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by Mobius:
I seem to recall in a previous thread that in bike racing you have to have your arms (shoulders?) covered. Is that not true of triathlons? I see a lot of shoulder-less trisuits.
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pcsronbo
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posted May-02-2007 11:32 AM
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What's the point/advantage to bib shorts? I'm just touring, but like to keep POJ stops as short as possible. I'm thinking it would take longer to get into and out of bibs. Unless you guys just pee yourselves???What's the difference between tri shorts and regular cycling shorts?
Tri short= no padding or minimal
Cycling = big padding Pee myself whenever possible. Just hard to do at work, they frown on it ;P Ok seriously, on 1/2Iron or above, I will just let free (if I can - sure helps when it is raining...). shorter stuff, hold it. Takes some figuring out how to pee and ride though...
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nepbug
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posted May-02-2007 12:54 PM
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... and get something not a 17 yr old Fuji touring bike with 48/38/28 chainrings too?
Aha, so with a touring bike you're probably not running a 11-23 (fairly standard on road bikes) cassette either, this explains the lower top end speed. Sounds like a great training bike though, really will build some power and won't break on you. You could upgrade your drivetrain, especially if it is a steel frame and can spread the rear dropouts, but I would just save up for a new bike and then use this as your commuter/bad weather bike. You could probably get into an improved bike pretty cheaply buying used off of Craigslist. I recommend the Competitive Cyclist fit calculator to get an idea of whether a bike you see online will fit you. They have a calculator for road and time trial/triathlon bikes.
http://www.competitivecyclist.com/za/CCY?PAGE=FIT_CALCULATOR_INTRO
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jwcrew99
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posted May-02-2007 01:43 PM
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Not aware of any USAT rule. You even see topless participants.
Remember last year for USAT sanctioned events the rule was changed so you must wear a top. I remember a lot of complaining about it.... almost as much as the no headphones rule.  Jon
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DawnT
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posted May-02-2007 02:27 PM
Bike Nutrition
For liquid nutrition on course, I prepare a feed bottle that has enough Infinit in it for 3 - 4 hours of riding. I sip that every 15 to 20 minutes and chase with water. That way, on course, all I have to do is get water from the aid stations. This gets me through an entire 1/2 IM and gets me to the special needs in an IM (at least that's the plan!) where I'll pick up another feed bottle. That uses one bottle holder and my aero drink bottle for water. I leave my other bottle cage empty to reduce weight while racing.While training, I carry the feed bottle, a full aero drink bottle of water and another water bottle as well, so I can carry enough liquid to last me 3 - 4 hours. If my ride is longer than that, then I either do loops and replenish at my car or I stop at a convenience store. Group Rides/Training Clubs
I train alone almost exclusively. That's because my schedule has me training during the day when most people are working. With 2 young kids and a DH that travels alot, I can't work out in the mornings or after work. Although I sometimes wish I had other people to ride with, I actually think the solo training is beneficial to me come race-time. You need much more mental toughness to ride hard by yourself than you do in a group. (or, perhaps I'm just trying to justify my reality) There are a ton of group rides around here. There are bike clubs that have rides for various levels of riders (they post the average speed of the rides). There are group rides that leave from the local bike shops and there are a few triathlon clubs in the area too. The triathlon clubs usually have swim/bike/run workouts, not just group rides. They also put on clinics for nutrition, bike maintenance, etc. I can see a huge benefit for having other people to work out with especially if it helps motivate you to get out the door. There's also a social aspect to the club which I think is important. Take a look at the websites of the local bike/triathlon clubs to see if their workouts fit into your schedule.
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ThursdayNext
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posted May-02-2007 02:30 PM
Really dumb question here. What is the difference between a training run and a tempo run?
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jroden
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posted May-02-2007 02:36 PM
Any old run you do is "training" while a tempo run is at a faster clip, generally something like a pace you could run for a whole hour, but the "tempo" part of your run is maybe 20 minutes. There are other sorts of similar training applications where you may go a bit faster or slower but in general you do these at a challenging but not flat-out pace for a fair block of time.
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