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loopy Cool Runner	posted Mar-02-2007 10:43 AM quote: Originally posted by wa5yom: AH, I turned off the Yahoo Messenger on the side bar.... Let me know if my site works better... Yep, that did the trick! Works fine in InternetExplorer now (at least for me anyway). Thanks again for the tips -- see you in Boston... IP: Logged
spkoest Cool Runner	posted Mar-03-2007 02:01 PM I ran my first tune-up 10K yesterday and was very pleased with a 39:25. My question is how much time should I add on to my Chicago time to predict Boston? I have ran Chicago the past two years and have found a good correlation between my tuneup races and my Actual marathon times using the mcmillan calculator + some time. I ran a 41:15 10K last year in my first tuneup race (following Phitz) and this equated to a 3:13 mcmillan predicted time. My actual race results were 3:19. This same type of correlation held true the year before. So this year. I ran a 39:25 which equates to a 3:05 + 6 minutes would give me a predicted time of 3:11 FOR CHICAGO. Now back to my question. Has anyone had similar luck predicting actual time for chicago and has run Boston (maybe several times) and can equate a chicago vs Boston time. I am 43 and am running 65 mpw (up 10 mpw) from previous year and am at 168 (down from 173) last year. Any similar runners out there that might be able to give me there guestimate as to how many minutes I should add to a 3:11 predicted time for chicago to get a boston estimated time. I think this makes sense. Sorry so long. thanks IP: Logged
PacerChris Cool Runner	posted Mar-03-2007 04:08 PM For me - the predictor calculators are a little off, not much just a little. My times last year in other distances (10k, 10 mile, and a HM) pointed to a 2:47-2:49 marathon time...I ran 2:53 at Boston. On a fast course, I think that same effort would probably get me about 2-3 minutes faster. My guess is, based on your speed, the difference between a course like Chicago vs. Boston is probably 3-4 minutes - not considering if you like hills or don't like monotonously flat courses. You have to remember the hills help you in the first half and in the last 4-5 miles - the question is how well you hold it together after Heartbreak. If I were in your shoes, I'd think about the predictors plus around 5-6 minutes...it sounds like you're doing very dilligent training and you have more base under your belt...that probably helps you quite a bit. IP: Logged
paulmitch Cool Runner	posted Mar-03-2007 08:18 PM Why guesstimate just run. You may surprise yourself. IP: Logged
wa5yom Cool Runner	posted Mar-04-2007 05:20 PM quote: Originally posted by loopy: [QUOTE]Originally posted by wa5yom: [b]AH, I turned off the Yahoo Messenger on the side bar.... Let me know if my site works better... Yep, that did the trick! Works fine in InternetExplorer now (at least for me anyway). Thanks again for the tips -- see you in Boston...[/B][/QUOTE] Great.....EVERYONE ELSE...please take a look and see if my site is working for you now.... Thanks, Tim, Ardmore, OK ------------------ My Journal Boomer Photos Running Quotes Dale's (dtoce) running tips IP: Logged
arc918 Cool Runner	posted Mar-05-2007 04:59 PM just won myself a free trip and entry to the race see you all in Hopkinton! http://www.coolrunning.com/forums/Forum1/HTML/151225.shtml IP: Logged
yellowlamp Cool Runner	posted Mar-06-2007 06:52 AM quote: Originally posted by arc918: just won myself a free trip and entry to the race see you all in Hopkinton! http://www.coolrunning.com/forums/Forum1/HTML/151225.shtml wow! ill give you fifty bucks for it... IP: Logged
PacerChris Cool Runner	posted Mar-06-2007 08:26 AM arc Congratulations! That's awesome! So - since you had a free flight and free entry, that means you have enough $$ left over to buy us all a Sam Adams after the race, right?! I'm sure this thread will start picking up steam in these last 6 weeks. I had a great race this past weekend (48 second PR in the 10k!) but then a really crappy tempo run this morning. Still, I'm pretty jacked up about that race - last year it started a string of good races that got me a 6:30 PR in Boston! I'm not going to be greedy this year - I just want a 4 minute PR this time. How's everyone's training going? ------------------ Pacer Dude IP: Logged
thereshegoes Cool Runner	posted Mar-06-2007 10:09 AM That's awesome arc!! I'd love to read those haikus! IP: Logged
loopy Cool Runner	posted Mar-06-2007 11:20 AM quote: Originally posted by PacerChris: I'm sure this thread will start picking up steam in these last 6 weeks. I had a great race this past weekend (48 second PR in the 10k!) but then a really crappy tempo run this morning. Still, I'm pretty jacked up about that race - last year it started a string of good races that got me a 6:30 PR in Boston! I'm not going to be greedy this year - I just want a 4 minute PR this time. How's everyone's training going? Chris, congratulations on the 10k PR! And congrats arc on the haiku-earned trip to Boston! I ran a 10 mile race this past weekend and was quite happy with my PR (OK so it was my only 10 mile race). Anyway, I am hoping I am on target for a sub 3 at Boston -- did the 10mi in 1:03:37 on a hilly course and conservatively enough that I could do a 3 mile warmup and 6 mile cooldown. Most of the predictors seem to be pointing at the 2:58 range -- so don't have much room for error... any thoughts? IP: Logged
arc918 Cool Runner	posted Mar-06-2007 12:40 PM quote: Originally posted by thereshegoes: That's awesome arc!! I'd love to read those haikus! thanks all - email me and I'll send you the haikus as for my training - I my last marathon 4 weeks ago (Feb 4), so I've recovered and I have time for a quick ramp up before I taper again I am throwing in extra hills as often as possible edit to add - I'm staying at the Sheraton Commander in Cambridge my visit will be quick and dirty - being a CPA/tax geek doesn't lend itself well to running Boston, as the tax deadline is Tuesday April 17... [This message has been edited by arc918 (edited Mar-06-2007).] IP: Logged
jjchaney Cool Runner	posted Mar-06-2007 01:43 PM Jumping into the conversation now. Good luck to everyone headed to Boston. I am staying just off of Beacon Street near mile 24. Any tips on getting to the buses? Does the T run super early that day? ------------------ My Running Log Team Good River IP: Logged
sandijam Cool Runner	posted Mar-06-2007 02:09 PM anyone know the longest distance of the longest hills? I've been running 1/4 mile repeats on hills and hope that's enough. getting excited..... thanks IP: Logged
gmaclin Member	posted Mar-06-2007 05:30 PM quote: Originally posted by sandijam: anyone know the longest distance of the longest hills? I've been running 1/4 mile repeats on hills and hope that's enough. getting excited..... thanks I looked at the chart generated by my Polar watch from last year, and this is what I came up with: Mile 16 - Hill #1, starts at Newton Lower Falls: Distance: .6 miles Altitude gain: 60 ft Avg grade: 2.3% Max grade: 3.4% Mile 17.75 - Hill #2: Distance: .3 miles Altitude gain: 60 ft Avg grade: 4.7% Max grade: 4.7% Mile 19.5 - Hill #3: Distance: .4 miles Altitude gain: 60 ft Avg grade: 2.6% Max grade: 4.6% Mile 20.5 - Hill #4 (Heartbreak Hill): Distance: .4 miles Altitude gain: 80 ft Avg grade: 3.8% Max grade: 4.9% Hope this helps, Greg [This message has been edited by gmaclin (edited Mar-06-2007).] IP: Logged
rtravers Cool Runner	posted Mar-06-2007 05:55 PM Arc, WOW! That ROCKS! I read on your other thread that you can't post your haikus until the winners are officially announced. I do hope you'll post them on here, then! As for the Newton Hills...I had a real confidence-building run last weekend. I was so tired of all of the ice and snow still on the ground around here in Boston, making my usual bike path impassable for a run. And running up Mass Ave was just getting tiresome. On a whim, I took a look at Google Maps to see how far I'd have to run to get to the Marathon route. Looked to be a little over 3 miles! So, I set off! The first few miles were pretty dismal, through industrialized and grim urban neighborhoods. But then I crossed the river over into Brookline for much more pleasant scenery...at mile 3.43 into my run, I hit the marathon route! I ran in the opposite direction of the route right up until the fire station that marks about mile 17.5 of the course. Then I turned around and tackled the Newton Hills. What a revelation! The Newton Hills were not nearly the terrible monsters some might think. There are some long inclines, to be sure, but these are interspersed with flats and even some downhill sections for respite! I passed the Johnny Kelly statue twice and said hello. I enjoyed the nods and waves from all of the other folks training on those hills! Of course, I tackled these hills at mile 10.6 into my long run. I'm sure they are a different beast when you hit them at mile 18. Nonetheless, I had a big grin as I ran up Heartbreak Hill, realizing that I could conquer these beasts after all! Okay, so bear with this elevation profile of my run here...it shows the Newton Hills starting right at about mile 10.7 miles into my run (right where I turned around...you can see the midpoint). Look at all those down hills and flat sections! Really, this was a very encouraging run for me, and I plan on hitting those hills a few more times before race day. --Robin IP: Logged
thereshegoes Cool Runner	posted Mar-07-2007 08:34 AM Wow, those hills really don't sound too bad. Number 2 is a little stinker with that average grade at almost 5% but that's not all that bad. But 3.8% isn't nearly as bad as I had feared. Now, if I can just prevent my legs from becoming hamburger on the downhills I'll be all set Arc, I am also a tax professional. I'm glad to know there's somebody else around here as wild and exciting as me! IP: Logged
sandijam Cool Runner	posted Mar-07-2007 12:59 PM thanks for the info on the hills. I guess I'll have to do a bit longer in training than .25 mile... IP: Logged
txmusicgurl Cool Runner	posted Mar-07-2007 06:13 PM Lovely. I need to find some longer hills too. But I'm excited still. And ready! ------------------ Sarah Dallas, TX My User Profile IP: Logged
arc918 Cool Runner	posted Mar-08-2007 01:06 PM woo hoo! I found a nice 2 mile loop with both steep and gradual hills - I ran it 3 times this morning as an extra added bonus the Cal State U Long Beach womens crew team was running hill repeats on the steep part - they cheered me on each time I passed IP: Logged
PacerChris Cool Runner	posted Mar-08-2007 02:01 PM arc Don't forget to run some DOWNhill repeats as well - you need to tenderize the quads! My buddies and I have a 3 mile loop we run repeats on - the first 1.2 miles is uphill, the next .8 is rolling, and then we bust it on the downhill last mile. It's a good prep workout for Boston because you get a little bit of everything. There's another hill that we run - 2 miles, mostly up, then turn around and hit it hard downhill, and repeat that 3-4 times. It's brutal... Any good talent on the crew team? That would keep me pretty motivated!! IP: Logged
arc918 Cool Runner	posted Mar-08-2007 02:35 PM Thanks Chris - my "loop" is reallly a one mile out and one mile back - so I'm coming back down everything I climb - it's a nice mix of everything as for the crew team - let's just say I'll be back next Thursday morning and I hope they'll be there too... IP: Logged
Imnotscott Cool Runner	posted Mar-09-2007 05:55 AM Those hills by themselves are not much for the average runner. But at 18 miles in and with four in a row it is a whole different story. IP: Logged
spankee Cool Runner	posted Mar-09-2007 11:32 AM Fighting bronchitis which is affecting my mileage but am pumped for Boston (Round 2 for me) Staying out at the Marriott Newton. Is anyone irked at the Boston hotel prices for Marathon weekend. It must be their maximum gouge weekend special. Out of curiosity I check the rates for a couple of hotels the weekend before (Easter weekend) and the differences are amazing: Park Plaza: $455 Can Marathon wk $172 Canadian Easter Parker House: $338 Marathon wk $200 Easter Taj: $800 Marathon wk. $336 Easter Nine Zero: $620 $220 Easter I know the Boston Marathon is a business as well as a great marathon, but all I have to say is ouch!! IP: Logged
perchcreek Cool Runner	posted Mar-09-2007 04:23 PM Hi... I'm joining this thread late since I just discovered it and since I just qualified Feb 17th! Last year I did a training run from mile 18 to the finish and here is the Motionbased "gravity corrected" elevation profile from Newton on. Lately I've been running my hilly route in reverse starting at the highest elevation, running down then backup and working on fairly constant HR which means positive splits with this profile (up at the end). I've been focussing on keeping fairly perpendicular to the ground so that it almost feels like leaning backward up hill and leaning more forward with shorter stride downhill. I hope this is a good approach to saving the quads. It shure feels right. Let me just say I'm 54, first Boston and VERY excited! Steve ------------------ My Profile Training IP: Logged
perchcreek Cool Runner	posted Mar-10-2007 11:54 AM Good Morning I found this interesting spreadsheet that will customize a Boston paceband and has mile-by-mile route descriptions. What do you think? http://www.box.net/public/75o3rqgty9 Steve ------------------ My Profile Training IP: Logged

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