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eryn23
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 posted Oct-19-2006 11:16 PM
   
Just wanted to check in...everyone's training still going well? I hope so! Mine is pretty good so far, have been having just a little bit of pain in my knee  No, but training is going really well, I have been feeling pretty good lately during my runs. I think I am finally getting to that place where you really ENJOY your runs, it doesn't seem like such a chore....only thing I am really nervous about is raising all my money for TNT. I have $1300 raised so far, so about $2300 to go!! Hope this finds everyone doing well, good luck to you all!!!
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tommy14277
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posted Oct-20-2006 08:01 PM
Eyrn: Good luck on the Fund Raising. It is hard for me (even when it's for a good cause) to ask people for donations. If you meet your goal, will your sponsor pay your expenses?Training is getting back on track "if" I can get the "14" in on Saturday. Headed out the door now for a 6, which will give me 34 for the week. My training program is a mix-n-match of several programs which will give me, hopefully, three runs @ 20 miles or better between now & D-Day w/ my maximum week comming in @ 44 miles on the 15th week running only 4 days a week. Even though this is my 1st. marathon & finishing is (according to all the experts) the only goal to expect, I have to admit if I don't break 4 hrs., I'll be a little disappointed. It will be a good experiment noneless! Tom
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eryn23
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posted Oct-24-2006 11:31 AM
Hi everyone!Tom~You are right, it is so hard asking people for money, no matter the cause. Something else I've encountered is that when you say "I'm training to run a marathon"...people don't get what that means. When I do tell them that it's 26 miles they're like-WOW! But many people think that it's just something you wake up and do one day. But yes, if I get all my money raised the LLS pays my way to AZ. Hope everyone's long runs went well this weekend. I am only up to 10, will do 12 this Sat. Let me ask you guys a question, because I am not very experienced in this...My left knee and shin and have been really bugging me during runs this past week or so. If I go ahead and get new shoes now, will they be shot by the time our marathon comes around? Let me know your opinions! Stay heppy and healthy everyone and keep running!! 
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tommy14277
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posted Oct-24-2006 10:18 PM
Eryn: If the shoes are causing the pain in your knee & shin I probably would not wait to get new shoes. Think I read somewhere that 300-500 miles on a pair shoes. "If" the shin & knee pain is common "runner's knee" & "shinsplints" you may be pushing a little too hard & need more rest. Try two days off in a row, low dose asprin & ICE after running. Good job on the 10 miler!Was supposed to do a 14 last Sat. but ended up w/ a 12 1/2. Felt like I could have gone further, but because of a late start, it was getting too dark. I hate playing "dodge car." I've got a nice treadmill, but it is extremely difficult for me to use on runs over 4 miles. Even w/ the TV or music, time literally stands still running on a treadmill. Tom
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azredbirds
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posted Oct-25-2006 11:54 PM
Hey everyone!!Eryn...Glad to hear the fundraising is going well. Keep up the good work. Tom...12 1/2 is not 14, but it's still a long way...Keep it up! I ran 7 on Sunday and felt pretty good....I'm over halfway to my 13.1, and I really think I can do this. I can't do it quickly, obviously, but I can do it!! Now I just need to quit eating everything in sight. Got new shoes!! They feel great!! Nike Air Zoom Zomeros...Way too expensive, but it's like running on sponges.... ------------------
Matt
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tommy14277
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posted Oct-26-2006 10:07 PM
Matt: You can for sure make it! If you have run a 7, you should, with out any trouble, run a 10 by mid Nov. When I was training for my 1st. half, once I hit 10 for my weekly long I backed off to 8 the next week before pushing up to 12. The next week back to 10. Then it was up to do the 14. This really worked well for me. For some reason, I have this weird avoidance to run distances that are "odd" numbers.Tom
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rhoon phast
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posted Oct-27-2006 01:52 AM
I had a chance to run one of the Anchorage Tuesday Night Races last week (Oct 17). Race report on its way in the appropriate forum. Long run ended up being 13.5 last Saturday (Oct 21). This weekend aiming to run the full 26 very slowly with another runner, one of what may turn out to be only two runs over 20. I'm hoping to put in a lot of 20 milers, but am not planning to go further much. Most of my miles are pretty slow, so the race was fun and a real change of pace. I was running an 18 miler the weekend before the race and realized I hadn't done any speed for some time. Since I have a tendency to get calf cramps as soon as I cross the line on short races, I have been experimenting a bit over the past couple years. If I do some sprinting in training, the issue mostly goes away. I was finishing a rather painful 18 miler (mentioned briefly previously, in case anyone is keeping track) in which I ran on rough, torn up newly graded gravel, when I realized I needed to do some sprints and only had 3 days before the race. I did about 6 sprints (very short, ratchet up to top speed then back down) in the last mile. It was painful, but it worked. Still unsure how this volume first approach is going to work. But no complaints so far. Happy runs, everyone. ------------------
Troy Running resume My running log
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arizona
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posted Oct-27-2006 01:56 AM
Hey I am in the east valley too!! I am going to do the 1/2 and can't wait. I did it the last 2 years but I am kind of thinking of doing the Las Vegas also. I am not sure if my work schedule will work out in Dec though.
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tommy14277
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posted Oct-27-2006 07:19 PM
arizona - Welcome & good luck the "half." Thinkin about Vegas next year... Troy - I'm impressed w/ all the miles you are logging! Stll plugging here . Got a 16 in for the week which made me feel great. After hitting the stop button on watch I was pleasantly surprised to have taken of 12 minutes off my last 16. Want to keep pushing up "every" week but I know it's just not prudent. Hers my plan for the "long" runs between now & race time. I won't have as many 20 mile plus runs as you, but since we both have the goal of breaking 4 hrs. I thought we could compare notes. Starting @ week #8 out of #18: #8 - 12 mi.
#9 - 18 mi.
#10 - 12 mi.
#11 - 20 mi.
#12 - 12 mi.
#13 - 22 mi.
#14 - 12 mi.
#15 - 24 mi.
#16 - 12 mi.
#17 - 12 mi.
# RACE What do you think?
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rhoon phast
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posted Oct-28-2006 02:07 AM
Hi Tommy,Your plan looks really good to me. It seems like you are really well positioned to carry it through, and as you already know, backing off and then extending is a long-proven approach. I'm intending to put a twist in that by running 20 two weekends in a row, and 22 followed by 18 just before the taper. We'll see. I haven't really trained well enough to have a taper since my first marathon, so I am really uncertain what to expect out of my taper. I also don't have a lot of timed runs to measure myself against. On my long runs, I'm usually carrying a honking Platypus 100oz. hydration pack, which slows me down some automatically, and am running with my dog which occasionally costs me some time. He gets to go swimming whenever we pass water...though it is now all of a sudden cold and his swimming days might be about over for the next few months. For most of my midweek runs, I'm commuting to work 2 miles each way, and running at lunch. The commute involves carrying a backpack, and I never time myself. The lunch runs involve running with a lady that usually is in the 12:00/mile pace range, sometimes speeds up to around 10:30. So I have a lot of slow running and am concerned about my ability to know what race pace feels like. My schedule (if you can call it that, since I may have to change it a few times) at present is lined out as: 1 14.3 done
2 14.6 done
3 13 done
4 19.9 done
5 20 done
6 11 done
7 18.5 done
8 13.5 done
9 26 tomorrow
10 10
11 20
12 13
13 20
14 20
15 13
16 22
17 18
18 12
19 12
20 race I hope to use the shorter runs as tempo runs (already did one 11 miler at 8:54 pace, that went okay and it felt good to run fast), and the 20 miler on week 14 and the 22 miler on week 16 will hopefully be progression runs where the last 8 miles are speeding up and the last 3 at race pace. We'll see. That should at least let me know if I can handle 9 minute miles when I'm tired... What's your take on my schedule? ------------------
Troy Running resume My running log
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tommy14277
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posted Oct-28-2006 07:22 AM
Troy - I think you are in a better position of breaking "4" than myself. You are logging not only more average miles per week, but will have 4 more 20+ runs than me. The fact that you are running other weekly runs @ a faster pace is just as important (IMHO) as the long run. I'd have to say you have enough "in the bank" to make a 3:55:32 "withdrawal" come Jan. 14th.For me, the first problem is I have never run a marathon & I ain't no spring chicken any more. Having just turned 52, my aproach/strategy has been... I want the greatest return on least amount of investment. Taking off 20 years from running has taken i'ts toll... The days of 39 min. 10k's are over. In fact, it was 20 years ago when training for the Portland Marathon was the last 20 miler I did. Never made it to the gate... Stupid me... the day after running the 20 went to the track & did wind sprints! My Sciatic nerve reared it's ugly head, my leg buckled & fell to the ground. The only thing I have to go on is what I have been able to accomplish since returning to running. I will sign-up with the 4 hr. pace group. If I'm still with 'em @ the 13.1 mark @ feel good, I will continue to stay with till mile 20. If I feel ok @ that point, push it bit. Going for negative splits. Realistically, I honestly think my time will be closer to 4:10:0. Tom
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eryn23
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posted Oct-28-2006 10:55 PM
Everyone sounds like they are doing really well! Troy-how was the long run today? Fill us in. Tom~ This is my first full marathon too. I am kind of slow, usually stick to a 10mm pace, sometimes speed up a little...I am just looking forward to finishing and having that accomplishment. I know if I set a goal and don't make it, I will feel disappointed in the end and that's just stupid, you know? (Although I definitely would like to finish in less than 4:20 ...) Anyway, don't stress about your time, you're gonna do great!!! Just go out at a comfortable pace and enjoy your first marathon! My long run today was 13 and went really well, I felt great at the end. I had taken 2 days off for pain in my L leg from the knee down. There is still a little pain but I made it through the run just fine Got some new shoes yesterday too...it's amazing what they can do. Hope everyone else is still doing well and has good runs this weekend!
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rhoon phast
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posted Oct-29-2006 01:49 AM
Tom,
Sorry to hear about the sciatica. I hope it's a thing of the distant past, but it sounds like you're really doing well now. Anyone who has ever run a 39:00 10K is scary fast to me. I never even broke 20 for 5K, though some of those cross country races my senior year in HS might have been equal to that. Never sure about those distances.Eryn,
New shoes are a shot in the arm, aren't they? Just opening the box makes little aches feel better. That reminds me, I need to go shopping...just kidding. I put a rather overly detailed version of today's long run in the run and race reports forum. The thread is 'Naknek River Marathon' and, as I said, it's really long. The short version is that it went well. I think we did well, our pace was faster than I expected given that we weren't trying for any time and were just trying to make it a training (rather than straining) run. But we stopped three times, one of which added over 12 minutes to the finish time, so we took a while overall. I do have a couple new blisters to deal with, though. I really need to soak my toes and file off all the calluses. At this point, I get blisters just from the callus buildup. The joys of running. ------------------
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eryn23
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posted Oct-29-2006 08:56 AM
yeah, runner's feet are hot Glad the run went well...at least you finished it, even if you did have to stop, that's great!
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rhoon phast
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posted Oct-29-2006 04:00 PM
The beautiful thing was, we didn't have to stop. We just did. Because we knew we'd finish top-3 regardless...------------------
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azredbirds
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posted Oct-30-2006 11:05 AM
Okay good....I thought it was just my feet....Those callus things are normal for runners? Thank God...I thought I was developing some sort of leprosy. They don't hurt, so I figured it was okay....I'm also losing a toenail....My wife looks at me like I'm crazy when she sees my feet.Nice run Troy. I'm guessing it was beautiful. 7 miles yesterday again, then 8 next week. Got some weird knee pain on the inside to back part of my knee...Only hurts when I stretch my knee....Tendinitis maybe? Hopefully, it will pass. You guys and your fast times....I ran a 10:34 mm pace yesterday for my 7 and was thrilled. I'm now kind hoping to break 2:30 for the 1/2, but not entirely sure it'll happen. Originally, I just wanted to finish within the 4 hour time linit. ------------------
Matt
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eryn23
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posted Oct-30-2006 12:11 PM
Matt~ if you are running that pace now, you will definitely break 2:30! Just keep it up, sounds like you're doing great! Sounds like you had a good run, congratulations!!It's not so much the calluses for me as the blisters-ouch! I had my ankle taped up this weekend and I guess it wasn't tight enough because I have blisters on my ankle now too. It's so weird. I need to get an ankle brace just from walmart or something...anyone have suggestions for a good type or brand of brace?
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rhoon phast
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posted Oct-31-2006 02:47 AM
Matt...you will definitely not be abnormal if you get calluses. But if you let them grow horns and reproduce, it can cause problems. I've been having callus babies show up on my feet these past couple weeks, and it's leading to more blisters than I normally would have to deal with. Our run was great running weather, but beautiful might be a stretch. A low wall of stormclouds covering the horizon in the distance. In a certain twist of fate, the storm that I mentioned in my race report never materialized...not sure what happened to it. We didn't miss it, though I hope it doesn't get a complex over how little we cared for it...The knee pain you mention is not something that immediately conjures up any memories, so I can't help you there. Hope it isn't bad. Eryn is right, you will easily make your 2:30 time goal by race day unless you lose a lot of training time between now and then. As your long run grows, it doesn't really slow down much. Eryn, blisters from tape jobs aren't from how tight or loose the tape is, they're from uneven pressure. Practice makes perfect, but often comes at the price of lots of blisters. No ankle brace can provide the quality of support you get from a good tape job unless you get the air splints that some people use for basketball. A less bulky and still pretty good option is the lace-up kind. My impressions of the little ankle braces you can buy at the store in the pharmacy section is generally not great. Depends on how much support you are needing. How are the knee and shin doing with the new shoes? Is the ankle problem related? ------------------
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eryn23
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posted Nov-01-2006 03:55 PM
Hi everyone! Hope you're having good runs this week!!Troy~thanks for the advice. I've never tried taping myself, my boyfriend does it for me and I feel so bad waking him up early on Saturdays!! He doesn't really seem to mind but still...I was thinking of getting one of those braces just because I don't know how well I could tape myself up. I guess I could try it on a shorter run. Everything is still feeling pretty good with the new shoes. People keep telling me to try running on the treadmill a couple times a week because it's softer...I just can't take it!!! Not only is it boring but, and I know this is really weird, I get a weird pain in the right side of my chest running on the treadmill. Weird, I know. Well, I'm about to go do 7. Hopefully it will go well, everyone keep your fingers crossed for my poor little leg that it doesn't start hurting again. Have a great night everyone.
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Mandle1978
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posted Nov-02-2006 10:16 PM
Hi all --I'm a newbie who is running in my first marathon in Arizona, so it was nice to find this thread and even nicer to know there are other people in the same boat as me! I'm getting to the point where suddenly January seems a little too close for comfort, know what I mean? I have days where I'm pretty sure I can do this, but those days are getting more and more outnumbered by the days when I'm wondering what in the world I was thinking by signing up for a marathon. Eryn -- I'm doing the TNT thing too. I'm at about 2600 out of my 3500 goal. I hate asking people for money too, but I had some pretty good results with sending out letters. The only suggestion I have for you is to ask businesses for donations. Most companies have a budget for charity donations throughout the year, and they're far more likely to donate large sums of cash than individuals might be (after all, it's a tax write-off for them). Good luck!! By the way, anyone else running in this marathon that's really really slow? I'm talking about a 14mm here. I'd love to know someone who is on the same pace as me. Thanks!! Mandi
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eryn23
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posted Nov-02-2006 10:44 PM
Hi Mandi! Welcome to our little thread that we've got going! It's especially nice to meet you since you're with TNT too Where are you from? I am having a bake sale this weekend and hoping I will get a good chunk of money out of that. I'll let you guys know how that goes. Are you doing the full or half marathon? You may want to fit a little speedwork into your routine or it will take you over 6 hours to finish the full at that pace. I guess as long as you're prepared for that it's okay...just seems like a LONG time to be running to me. How high is your mileage right now? Hope to hear from you again soon!! Erin
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tommy14277
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posted Nov-03-2006 09:27 AM
Hello all!Other than the minor "feet" problems, sounds like everyone is on schedule. I can't remember who mentioned that Jan. is approaching too fast? Yes it is. Pretty much Nov. & three weeks in Dec., then start the taper. That's it! I learned something (to me) very important last week. Last Thurs. I had planned to run a 16 but ended up doing a 17, because I felt good. Then on Sat. my "schedule" was to have me run a 10. As I began that ten mile run, thought to myself after about a mile on how lousy I felt. My legs felt like lead pipes & totally out of sync. I probably could have pushed through it, but turned around @ the 2.5 mark. My ten mile run just turned into five. O crap! Monday, the "schedule" had me running a 6 miler. Again, after about a mile, instead of feeling bushwacked like just two days ago, felt very strong. I then decided to now turn the 6 miler into a 10. After finishing the run, my watch revealed that I had run the 10 miles 3 min. faster than I normally run it in. What did this teach me? Running farther, faster and stronger is a result of putting enough stress on your body (not too much as to cause injury) and "IF" you allow your body to RECOVER from that stress. That is, IMHO the key. Allowing the body to recover from previous workouts. Even though I have to "put in the miles" every week, I should be willing to deviate from from that "plan" if need be. Letting my body dictate my my pace or distance VS my training plan. I am absolutely amazed at what a difference just two days had made. Sorry for being so long winded! Tom
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azredbirds
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posted Nov-03-2006 11:53 AM
Well, I was feeling fine....Now I have nagging knee pain that just seems to be getting worse. I had to turn a 4 mile run into a 1.5 mile run this morning.It hurts on the inside of my knee....Below the kneecap and it sort of wraps around to the back of my knee. Stretching the calf helps for a little while, but not really. It especially hurts after I have been sitting awhile and then stand up. Could it be the new shoes? They aren't as "stiff" as the ones I was using, and they are already wearing on the outside of my heel (like my old ones, but they seem to be wearing faster). [] Tom [/b]...Glad that taking a short time off allowed your body to recover....That is great news. If you ran 17 this week, you should be right on track, correct? Welcome to all the newer folks...I'm guessing that we'll be getting more and more people posting as January 14th approaches...I just hope I'm running by then. ------------------
Matt
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tommy14277
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posted Nov-03-2006 02:18 PM
Matt: Sorry to hear about the knee. From your description of the pain, it appears you may be suffering from Chonromalacia. Better known as runners knee, this condition is one you can get over Suggest you do a search on the web. There is a lot of info to help you. Don't worry, all is not lost.Yeah, I'm on track so far. Only "scheduled" to do about a 12 today. But... depending on how I feel, I may go for an 18 or... a 20??? Tom
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azredbirds
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posted Nov-06-2006 10:03 AM
Well, I think I'm done....My knee still hurts, and yesterday at mile 5 (of a planned 8 miler) a very sharp pain shot through it and I nearly fell over. It's stiff today, but I can walk without too much trouble The pain is still there, though. It just feels weird. Anyway, I'm trying to get a doctor's appointment, but I have a feeling I know what the answer is. Tom , I hope your training is still going well, and thanks for the suggestion about runner's knee...I looked up a bunch of stuff on the web and tried a couple of things (though apparently not enough rest...lol). I got some inserts, but they didn't help...I may take them back. I hope everyone is doing well...Less than 10 weeks to go!! ------------------
Matt
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