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fredurie
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 posted Sep-01-2007 09:04 AM
  
110 miles for the week in singles.
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Spareribs
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posted Sep-01-2007 10:02 AM
6 miles walking at about 14:45 per mile. Spareribs
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breger1
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posted Sep-01-2007 10:16 AM
It was cast in stone that I run 15 miles with 12 miles at MP this morning. But with the H&H, I made a major adjustment and ran 14 miles with 12 at MP.The MP's ranged from 8:19 to 8:34 with most being in the 8:25 to 8:30 range. Pfitz wants MP to feel "easy" which I can understand. But with the H&H, it wasn't easy, but I lived to tell about it. I'll take this one this time of year anytime. Bill ------------------
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fredurie
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posted Sep-01-2007 10:46 AM
Cougar, Art Taylor was an elite runner.Male 50 - Canadian record Marathon 2:27:17 94.3% Art TAYLOR (ON) May 8 1977 Ottawa
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euphoric
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posted Sep-01-2007 10:51 AM
Thanks for getting us started Fred. I add miles on Saturday to make 30 for the week. I was at 31 yesterday, so I decided I could do anything I darn well pleased today. I just spent the nicest 2:15 of my life on trail. 66 degrees. Lots of bird and bug noise. Handwritten note on tree: Bee hive 50 feet ahead on left. Don't make them angry. Going to find the chisel.
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euphoric
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posted Sep-01-2007 11:08 AM
Fred, just went down to make some tea and thought, "Is that goal achieved for Fred?"
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fredurie
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posted Sep-01-2007 11:12 AM
Jim, it's hard to say whether it's too much training or not.
It's all trial and error.You might feel like you have the symptoms of overtraining this week, but
set a PB in a month, when your body has absorbed the training. Bill is running 8 to 10 miles a day, and 2 days ago he said the training is
pxssy. I get my inspiration from the athletes in my city.
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fredurie
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posted Sep-01-2007 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by euphoric:
Fred, just went down to make some tea and thought, "Is that goal achieved for Fred?"
Yep, and I think that I can do 120 miles, but not next week.
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runningindc
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posted Sep-01-2007 02:14 PM
I started this month off with 1 hour in the pool...1/2 hour laps (really junky, just gave up) and 1/2 hour aqua jogging with new aqua jogging belt the club ordered...just for me. Ran some (not very much) in the shallow end letting feet touch bottom...no pain. That is a start. Must be patient, must be patient, must be patient.Euphie, I just love the info you choose to share with us. I am assuming that the bees did NOT get angry with you.  Mr. Ribs...that is some good walking...I can't even do that.... Fred: Why would you want to do 120 miles in a week? What benefit would that bring to your overall running program? ------------------
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euphoric
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posted Sep-01-2007 03:07 PM
Liz, the water stuff is hard work. Don't beat yourself up.Rich, good luck tomorrow. There's lots of good energy out there this weekend. Bill, I think "casting" in stone is easier than "writing" in stone. You don't do easy, so I think you meant "writing". I'm on the fence about tomorrow's long run.
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Rich in NH
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posted Sep-01-2007 03:53 PM
Hey Bill, in your weather, that's a VERY good run, wtg!Congrats. to you Fred, what a week! Saturday 2 miles this morning just to stay loose, second @ race pace. Went shopping today for running shorts with helium inserts but was surprised to find no-one makes 'em. Figured I'd lighten my load...  Pulling for Spareribs and Liz fighting the good fight. Thanks again Euphoric. You should be really proud of your progress lately, you're running really well.
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Spareribs
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posted Sep-01-2007 04:53 PM
That was good judgment Bill. You know when you have done the work. And yes I believe you write or etch in stone and cast in metals. And speaking of tough training and recovery. If we agree that training is the application of stress followed by a period of recovery to allow the body to adapt to the stress, then Jim's point about using judgment about the recoveries, and the repeated applications is true. But you will often hear fred comment that a particularly tough workout gave his overall fitness level "a bump." He says this often enough for us to know what he means which is that he was able to run hard and his body was able to assimilate it so that he got a fitness lift. Still in all, it has to be within that breakdown limit. We cannot do the stuff fred does. Spareribs
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Jim24315
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posted Sep-01-2007 06:15 PM
Bill, is it a 20k that you are keying for? Intrepid Racers has you down for that one and a 5k today. Looks like you passed on the 5k. Your training is looking good.Rich, another good luck for you tomorrow. "Pulling for Spareribs and Liz fighting the good fight."
My sentiments. Saturday - 7 slow ones on grass loop for me
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Sun Raider
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posted Sep-01-2007 06:41 PM
I have no issue with someone running 110 or 120 mpw. A good coach I worked with years ago once told that it was a good idea to minus your miles from your IQ. That's how intelligent this all is. So if you have a 120 IQ and minus 120 mpw, you are operating on zero intelligence. You are down to the cortex which is basically reptilian.
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breger1
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posted Sep-01-2007 08:38 PM
Jim,My key race is the NYC Marathon. And I'd like to make a BQ attempt sometime in the spring. The 20K and another 18K run that are shown on Intrepid are really part of the training cycle. But I like organized races as a part of training as they really help get you in the groove. I signed up for the 5K but figured the MP run was far more important. I'll run a 5K if it fits in. But running a 5K today after my MP run woulda been little more than a jog for 3.1 miles. Bill ------------------
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euphoric
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posted Sep-02-2007 07:43 AM
I think I know someone who was looking for a "chisel with an eraser" and I'm going to borrow it today. I feel great, but my ankles and lower outside calf are good sore this morning. I'm sure it's from the irregular terrain on the trail. I'll take my Monday day "off" today.I think I've reached the point where I need to chisel 7 little stones. Those can be arranged to suit my schedule and alter hard/easy days. Rich, we'll be watching for that report. I think Liz and Ribs are going to come back stronger than ever.
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fredurie
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posted Sep-02-2007 11:32 AM
I run with a guy that actually trained harder than me. Today I asked
Bill if he ran the hard 10 milers every second day in his prime. He
said, "oh no, every day, if I ran 10 miles in 61 minutes I was
ticked off."Sunday 5 miles slow
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Spareribs
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posted Sep-02-2007 12:08 PM
5 miles today in closer to 14 minutes a mile. You really have to think to walk fast, unlike running. If you start to daydream and think about this or that, you end up strolling along. Today I paid attention to what I was doing. Nice day here in TX. Spareribs
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Jim24315
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posted Sep-02-2007 12:18 PM
Spareribs,What did MRI show? Jim
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fredurie
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posted Sep-02-2007 12:20 PM
Ribs, what's your heart rate walking a 14 minute mile?
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fredurie
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posted Sep-02-2007 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by Sun Raider:
That's how intelligent this all is. So if you have a 120 IQ and minus 120 mpw, you are operating on zero intelligence. You are down to the cortex which is basically reptilian.
And the reptilian brain is probably all you need for running, anyway. Liz, the theory is that improvement comes from expanding the
aerobic component of training, and the anaerobic component is
set. That is, mileage and threshold training are the keys to faster
racing.
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runningindc
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posted Sep-02-2007 12:53 PM
Thanks for explain Fred.....even when I get "better" I don't envision me ever being able to do 120 mpw....reptilian brain or notMr. Ribs...how do you feel walking that pace? No pain? Some pain but manageable? Euphie: Smart move.... Rich...were waiting....... Sunday
One hour like this: 20 min laps, 5 min running in shallow end with feet touching bottom, 20 min laps, 5 min same kind of running, 10 min hard driving, hard breathing, no form laps. Done! Laps came easy today, couldn't screw 'em up even when I tried. Don't know why...but i will take it. Foot does not hurt when running in the pool....I will take this as a sign of hope. ------------------
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Rich in NH
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posted Sep-02-2007 01:46 PM
The half marathon is in the bank, not what I wanted, but about what I expected. I ran this race last year in 1:51:16, an 8:30 pace. I thought I'd try to duplicate that time this year with a little less training.The first 8 miles went well, then I started to fade and finished in 1:53:44. With the year I've had, I'll take it, I'm making progress Nice cool weather and really fun course, a perfect day for a race...
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Jim24315
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posted Sep-02-2007 02:44 PM
Good news Rich;It's been a long road back, but you are almost where you were. Actually, you might even be beyond that, but I don't think you came into this race into this race as well as you could have. You have every reason to believe that your best races have yet to be run.
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TheProFromDover
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posted Sep-02-2007 02:53 PM
I know I post haphazardly here. But there is a trend, it's when I have a good day.22M at 8:20 ave with busiman. I am still waiting to miss a milestone day so I can switch to the half at Hartford. Harder goals maybe? Off to CT for a day,
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