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Topic: September 50 Plus Training and Racing |
Jim24315
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 posted Sep-30-2007 11:29 PM
   
Rich, Congratulations on a new PR that caps off several months of solid training. This should serve you well in coming months.Joe, regarding: "Last runs of the month. These 2 were the slowest non-recovery runs I've ever done. Jim suggested I try to slow things down and ultimately get a bit more miles, so, Jim, if this doesn't work, you're to blame"
You've got it in writing...err typing. It's amazing that a couple miles at 7:45 are slowest ever. As often as you race and do quality workouts I don't think it would hurt one bit to do a lot more that range or even slower--I think it would help. Saturday - 12 miles including 6 x 1600 (6:34, 6:33, 6:34, 6:34, 6:34, 6:31) with 200 recovery jogs. Sunday - 4 miles easy. Scheduled for 16 today but bagged it after 3 loops of grass course. Started 6 hours later than planned after stressful morning/afternoon at airport that put me out of mood. Probably needed an easy day anyway.
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Jim24315
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posted Oct-01-2007 12:33 AM
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Originally posted by OldXCguy:
Thanks Spareribs, Sun Raider, and Jim24315 for your thoughtful and helpful comments. Sun Raider, can't believe you crank out 15s 100m's in your 60's! Jim, your 200 times sound like they are about in line with mine. Ever wonder what you could do for a flat out mile? I'm thinking I would have a tough time breaking 6:00.
It probably would be tough to run a sub-6 solo but you could probably do it in an all-comers meet or even in a group workout. The last time I tried was 2 years ago when I wasn't in near as good of shape as now and ran 5:51. My guess now is mid 5:40's although it feels like at would be impossible when I'm doing a few 200's alone at the end of a longer workout.
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euphoric
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posted Oct-01-2007 08:33 AM
Fred, when you have a moment..........
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Spareribs
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posted Oct-01-2007 09:09 AM
I'm in Las Vegas, but I am not staying here. Worked out on the treadmill in the hotel fitness center, then did a full exercise set. Working here today then headed for L.A. for the rest of the week. Spareribs
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ChasingYou
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posted Oct-01-2007 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by egrd:
Under-ager peeking in with a training question. . . .Hi ya runner gurus and crones, would love some advice. I have a HM on Oct 14th. and I want to get the best out of my last long w/out tomorrow. Am sort of between two coaches and one has had me in cautious 'avoiding injury' mode for the last 6 mos and the other is pushing me to perform beyond my comfort zone. . . . neither are necessarily bad, but I am unsure which is best at this stage of my training. Is a wave run the better way to go? 1.5k @ HM pace then 1.5k recovery @ steady pace x 5
(I think I'm leaning here) or do I split it into thirds and do a progression run
starting at steady pace > then HM pace > to 10km pace? or do I warm up 10 mins and then go goal HM pace for 16 km and then cool down 10 mins? (This seems extreme and worries me somewhat - well - - - categorically worries me actually) your thoughts appreciated.
Cheers
Egret
It would be helpful to understand how much training you're able to do in your life and how hard you can push. For example, if you don't work, you can push harder and have better recovery time. It sounds like you are able to put a lot of time into your training so I assume you don't have children to take care of. Are you able to train with other who are pushing similar limits? If you can answer some of these questions, I can offer some good advice. How long have you been working with your coaches? Good luck!
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TheProFromDover
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posted Oct-01-2007 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by ChasingYou:
...For example, if you don't work, you can push harder and have better recovery time. It sounds like you are able to put a lot of time into your training so I assume you don't have children to take care of.
Huh? Explain how working or not working allows for better recovery time. And I haven't heard how children or not works into training. I try to be open minded, these are just so radically new ideas I need some help. You might want to get a more posts under your belt before you start offering help along side the likes of Fred and his O50 cronies here. Just sayin,
Crjrg p.s. How about a little more info from your side. Your profile is a little thin.
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Dark Horse
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posted Oct-01-2007 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by TheProFromDover:
Huh? Explain how working or not working allows for better recovery time. And I haven't heard how children or not works into training. I try to be open minded, these are just so radically new ideas I need some help.You might want to get a more posts under your belt before you start offering help along side the likes of Fred and his O50 cronies here. Just sayin,
Crjrg p.s. How about a little more info from your side. Your profile is a little thin.
Geez Pro, why don't you just b*tch-slap the poor new guy senseless, instead of holding back like this. Dark Horse ------------------
I'm a dark horse, running on a dark race course
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rosecoloredglasses
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posted Oct-01-2007 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by ChasingYou:
It would be helpful to understand how much training you're able to do in your life and how hard you can push. For example, if you don't work, you can push harder and have better recovery time. It sounds like you are able to put a lot of time into your training so I assume you don't have children to take care of. Are you able to train with other who are pushing similar limits? If you can answer some of these questions, I can offer some good advice. How long have you been working with your coaches?Good luck!
I usually just lurk in this thread because I have a great respect for these over-50 guys and gals and the one cretin. But I don't understand the assumption that someone could not train effectively and have children or a job? I remember one Cool Running gal, we traveled to the Philly marathon together in 2005. She won the masters division. She is a successful lawyer, has three young children, volunteers at church, and can run a 2:50 marathon. Her husband is a stay-home dad. Not a conventional set-up but, I have several friends who are doctors and their husbands chose to be stay-home dads. My husband has a decent job, I have a parttime job, and three kids. During the past 15 years, my husband and I have trained for and run many marathons and other races. Kids go to school and work schedules vary. I used to work 1900-0730 (2 nights a week) and run after work and my husband got the kids going in the morning. He would run at lunch. We were all together after school and most evenings. There are many careers where women and men actually work at home while their children are in school. These jobs are flexible so that if one would want to train in the morning and work after the children go to bed, no problem. Training schedules don't have to require more time they need to be effective, more does not necessarily equal better.
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Spareribs
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posted Oct-01-2007 08:21 PM
Hey ChasingYou, go troll someplace else will you? You aren't fooling anyone. What dumbass post. Spareribs
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Sun Raider
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posted Oct-02-2007 12:22 AM
Rich, Nice comeback marathon. I know after last year this was a long time coming. Spareribs? Why is this guy a troll? I guess I am uninitiated. I just don't see it but I had to look up the meaning on the web so consider the source. It's finally raining steadily in the gorge. I ran 9 mikles of trails today but ended up getting pretty well soaked by the end of the run. JIM! Time to go to Scottsdale NOW! 
Raider
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hally
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posted Oct-02-2007 05:27 AM
Hey, y'all old buggers it's OCTOBER 
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ChasingYou
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posted Oct-02-2007 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by Spareribs:
Hey ChasingYou, go troll someplace else will you? You aren't fooling anyone. What dumbass post. Spareribs
You guys are amazing. When I started working with my coach a few years ago, those were some of the first questions he asked. As I work in a hospital and I'm on my feet all day, the type of work that I do affects my recovery. Seems pretty basic to me. Sorry for the attempt. I'll try to be more careful with my questions. For some reason, that doesn't seem to apply to most of you though. Have a great day fellow runners.
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predawnrunner
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posted Oct-02-2007 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by ChasingYou:
You guys are amazing. When I started working with my coach a few years ago, those were some of the first questions he asked. .
I'm guessing you're female if someone asked you about children with regards to committing to something outside the home. That is an inappropriate question in the workplace as well as in athletics and one that is mainly directed at women. As someone who has always worked full-time and cared for a family (for some years as a single mom), I can assure you that it's all about time management. And RCG is correct in saying that an effective training program does not have to gobble up inordinate amounts of time. The original post was an intelligent question on how best to approach a specific workout. That kind of thoughtful approach to training is far more effective than just piling on miles (and time) with no clear objective. Also - I happen to know that the post was from a great mom who also happens to be a talented runner with a successful career. They aren't mutually exclusive and it's discouraging that these kinds of questions are still posed. ------------------
Predawnrunner, aka mrs W.R.F. Beer
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OhioMom
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posted Oct-02-2007 09:34 AM
Change of topic, but still 50 plus.Rich's marathon report sounds good to me. I would be thrilled with your time, Rich (but its not going to happen, which is OK). Three weeks and counting to the Colulmbus Marathon! Anybody else aiming for that one? Ran the 20 mile training race on Sunday and I am so sore I can barely move. The weather was gorgeous, the route was gorgeous and I was pretty well prepared, although I really wished that I had done the 18 mile training run my schedule had suggested two weeks prior. Today I managed the scheduled 5 miles, in a bit over 52 minutes (usually do it around 50). Tomorrow's scheduled 8 will be a challenge. Happy October running!
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breger1
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posted Oct-02-2007 09:52 AM
OhioMom,Just a friendly suggestion ... if you're sore from your 20 miler, rest and recover. With only 3 weeks or so till your Columbus Marathon, there's no need to be heroic. Get to the line healthy. Bill ------------------
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OhioMom
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posted Oct-02-2007 10:04 AM
Thanks Bill. That is my plan! I figure that crosing the finish line is my goal. I'll save a time goal for the next time (if there is a next time). It is possible that I decide the HM is "my" distance!
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Ileneforward
Cool Runner |
posted Oct-02-2007 10:25 AM
Hey ChasingYou, just because she is a beautiful woman, great mom, and successful career woman, as well as a faster runner than your hubby doesn't mean you should follow her around making snarky comments. Maybe you should seek therapy instead.
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Dark Horse
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posted Oct-02-2007 10:42 AM
Sheesh, guys and gals, everyone take a deep breath and relax. The Horse of Peace ------------------
I'm a dark horse, running on a dark race course
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TheProFromDover
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posted Oct-02-2007 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by Dark Horse:
Sheesh, guys and gals, everyone take a deep breath and relax. The Horse of Peace
Hey DH! Shut up! 
Figured I should start a new trespasses tab.
Cartg
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OldXCguy
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posted Oct-02-2007 01:31 PM
I'm going to side with ChasingYou on this one. At worst, his or her remarks would be considered politically incorrect in the workplace. I don't believe the same rules apply here. He/she was innocently (I believe) asking a question to get a feel (pun intended) for how much time was available for training. When I read the question, I saw no malice in it.You guys and gals who were offended might consider spending some time on Letsrun to grow thicker skin.
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Dark Horse
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posted Oct-02-2007 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by TheProFromDover:
Hey DH! Shut up!
Figured I should start a new trespasses tab.
Faced with this fresh outrage, I will turn the other flank. The Horse of Peace ------------------
I'm a dark horse, running on a dark race course
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Rich in NH
Cool Runner |
posted Oct-02-2007 01:42 PM
Thanks and good luck in your marathon, OhioMom...Ok, who was the black guy the cops beat up who asked the question, "can't we all just get along?" And if you know the answer to that question, it means you still have a memory and are too young to be here...
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rosecoloredglasses
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posted Oct-02-2007 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by OldXCguy:
I'm going to side with ChasingYou on this one. At worst, his or her remarks would be considered politically incorrect in the workplace. I don't believe the same rules apply here. He/she was innocently (I believe) asking a question to get a feel (pun intended) for how much time was available for training. When I read the question, I saw no malice in it.You guys and gals who were offended might consider spending some time on Letsrun to grow thicker skin.
So would the same questions be asked of a man?
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Dark Horse
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posted Oct-02-2007 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by rosecoloredglasses:
So would the same questions be asked of a man?
Rose, Let's not make the mistake of substituting ideology for reality. You and the others here are acting indignant because the poster's experience of the world does not conform to your ideas of the way the world ought to be. Dark Horse Edited for clarity. ------------------
I'm a dark horse, running on a dark race course [This message has been edited by Dark Horse (edited Oct-02-2007).]
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ChasingYou
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posted Oct-02-2007 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by Ileneforward:
Hey ChasingYou, just because she is a beautiful woman, great mom, and successful career woman, as well as a faster runner than your hubby doesn't mean you should follow her around making snarky comments. Maybe you should seek therapy instead.
My spouse doesn't run, but thanks for playing. There are people out there who don't you know. This is quite the supportive group.
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