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September 50 Plus Training and Racing


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breger1
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posted Sep-26-2007 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for breger1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This morning easy run was truly easy. It's amazing to me how I can feel so rotten one day and so smooth the next. This running thing is weird ...

Anyway, 12 miles at an easy 9:20 min/mile pace. I let several of the later miles float into the 9:00 m/m range without pushing at all - "float" being the right word.

This Sunday's plan calls for 17 miles with 12 at MP. So I figured a 20K race would be the perfect opportunity to run at MP in true race conditions (though H&H will be high). Normally I'd be trying to run a 20K at 8:00 m/m pace or slightly quicker, but I'll settle in at 8:30's and see how that feels. Sound like a plan?

Bill

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fredurie
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posted Sep-26-2007 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fredurie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wednesday

AM 2 mile warmup, 6 minutes-4 min.-2min. @ around 5:30
pace, 1 min. @ around 5:15, 35 seconds @ 4:40 pace, all 2
minute jog recoveries, 2 mile warmdown with 2 times 60
meters @ 4:10 pace. Indoor 200 track.

I was surprised with the 35 second speed at 200.

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fredurie
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posted Sep-26-2007 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fredurie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jim, my fastest race was 2.25 @ 4:31. I beat the 51 minute
10 mile guy in that.

Whether it was accurate or not I can't say.

Mostly I just peaked by accident.

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Jim24315
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posted Sep-26-2007 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim24315   Click Here to Email Jim24315     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fred, that's awfully quick even for 1 mile. If you beat a 51-minute 10 mile guy the distance must have been close.
Btw, Dennis Kurtis won national 50-54 title on Sunday with a 34:31. He's a tough finisher, having prevailed by 3 seconds in this one, and by a split second the week before at the big 5k race. At Paso Robles they have you wear tags on your back with your age category--a great idea which adds to the competitiveness of the event.

Bill, a decent plan if you have the discipline to stick to it. Personally, I don't like the idea of practice races because more than half the time I end up running close to all out--no discipline.

I'm heading out for an easy 14-15 now. Yesterday and Monday were easy 7's. Recovery from race has been good (I think).

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runningindc
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posted Sep-26-2007 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for runningindc   Click Here to Email runningindc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I managed to do .98 miles of running at an avg 12:30 m/m today. I am very happy!!!

It was a 3.06 miles in 44:53 for an overall avg. 14:40 mile.

I started with a 10 min warmup walk, then would run 2-5 min. then walk some (no set time, just until I wanted to run again) then run some.

Foot still hurts when I walk, but it does not hurt when I run. I will continue to take it easy, and swim, but will add more days of walk/run in between.

Yippeeeeeeeeee


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euphoric
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posted Sep-26-2007 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for euphoric     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great news, Liz! I look forward to reading about your progress in and out of the water. On a day like today I would have been in the pool!

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Spareribs
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posted Sep-26-2007 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spareribs     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good Liz. It will all come together soon.

Bill, I think you have the right idea and are too careful a planner to go nuts if you run the 20K at the desired pace.

No run, no exercise today. A total planned day off, but man did I work hard. I am tired now, but very relieved at how well my day went.

Bob, I'm with you all the way re the Sox. I think they are a lock now with that lead and 5 games to go. Now my Mets are giving me a headache! And as for your Pats, keep in mind that I am a Jets fan so we have to be enemies there. Spareribs

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Jim24315
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posted Sep-26-2007 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim24315   Click Here to Email Jim24315     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes Liz, this IS good news.

Where this is all leading to is you becoming a better runner than you were before--and not only that, you have learned to swim!


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Jim24315
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posted Sep-26-2007 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim24315   Click Here to Email Jim24315     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wednesday - 14 miles on rolling asphalt at just a hair under 8 minute pace. I started later than I wanted at 9:30 and the sun was shining brightly throughout--80 degrees at finish. If I was smart I would have run about a half min per mile slower. Tired now.

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TheProFromDover
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posted Sep-26-2007 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TheProFromDover   Click Here to Email TheProFromDover     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
23 done. I am sooo happy to get the bulk of the training behind me I wrote a training run race report.

Is it just me or does M training get a bit tedious after a while?

criag

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Sun Raider
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posted Sep-27-2007 01:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sun Raider     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Jim, There is no "easy" 14 mile run. I enjoy your training recommendations. I read what you recommend to others and just do the opposite. LOL!

What works for Jim stays with Jim.

And by the way, what you recommend does work...........for you. Seriously, I am impressed with your latest age group PR's. I am such a whimp in comparison to you.

I ran 8 miles today all off road on trails in the forest. Nice day. Low 70's. Rain in the forecast. Cooler temps later this weekend (50's). In another month we go to Scottsdale for the winter. Just about the time it gets really messy weather up here.

One of my Hood River friends will be going down too and then we hook up with our running buddy who lives down there and time trial the winter away. He has summer place up in Flagstaff so he comes back down for the winter.

The plan is to run various trails in the Superstitions. I have run there before. Beautiful place. Just don't tell anyone you have a lost Dutchman map. "They" will shoot you for it.

Raider

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euphoric
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posted Sep-27-2007 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for euphoric     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
82 degrees, 90% humidity.
8 miles as scheduled.
Homework for next week includes a couple of 9:00s in the middle so I thought I'd see what that might feel like: 7:54, 7:45.
All the rest were more social as I ran at a later, more congested hour. I rotated my key to the other shoe this morning.

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Jim24315
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posted Sep-27-2007 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim24315   Click Here to Email Jim24315     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Raider,

Yesterday’s run didn’t feel especially hard but I was very tired later. Woke up feeling good, though, and will take a couple easy days before big weekend (12 Sat, 16 Sun)

It would be hard to find a better place for winter running than Scottsdale. I am envious.

Jim

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Jim24315
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posted Sep-27-2007 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim24315   Click Here to Email Jim24315     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Craig, way to knock down the 23. Now if you can just run a 5k PR on Sunday there will be smoke coming out of Raider's nostrils.


Euphie, was that 2 miles, with one in 7:54, and the other in 7:45?

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euphoric
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posted Sep-27-2007 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for euphoric     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jim, I did 8 total miles. Those two were mile 3 and mile 4. I knew I was at about 4:00 (going for 4:30) at each half and then just saw what I could do from there. I wasn't sure of the times until I got home and put my glasses on. I've gotten pretty close to 8:00 before, but they never felt as good as these did. This was just a practice for next week and I felt no pressure. My legs were pretty heavy for the rest of the run. Maybe I should keep the key on the left shoe. I don't feel quite as guilty for skipping the last two intervals on Tuesday.

Edited to add that my entire body was shaking at the end of those.
Edited again after some thought. I did a 7:41 last week.

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Jim24315
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posted Sep-27-2007 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim24315   Click Here to Email Jim24315     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by euphoric:
Jim, I did 8 total miles. Those two were mile 3 and mile 4. I knew I was at about 4:00 (going for 4:30) at each half and then just saw what I could do from there. I wasn't sure of the times until I got home and put my glasses on. I've gotten pretty close to 8:00 before, but they never felt as good as these did. This was just a practice for next week and I felt no pressure. My legs were pretty heavy for the rest of the run. Maybe I should keep the key on the left shoe. I don't feel quite as guilty for skipping the last two intervals on Tuesday.

Edited to add that my entire body was shaking at the end of those.
Edited again after some thought. I did a 7:41 last week.

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fredurie
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posted Sep-27-2007 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fredurie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thursday

7 miles untimed, HR 84

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fredurie
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posted Sep-27-2007 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fredurie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by euphoric:
82 degrees, 90% humidity.
8 miles as scheduled.
Homework for next week includes a couple of 9:00s in the middle so I thought I'd see what that might feel like: 7:54, 7:45.
All the rest were more social as I ran at a later, more congested hour. I rotated my key to the other shoe this morning.

If you can run 7:45 at 82F and 90% humidity, you can run 6:45.

Visualize running sub 7.

Yesterday I was amazed at how fast I was going, and it felt easy, so I
didn't hold back. Carpe diem.

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ksrunr
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posted Sep-27-2007 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ksrunr   Click Here to Email ksrunr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thought you all might enjoy reading this article taken from the Wichita Eagle newspaper.

ksrunr


His speed limit isn't set at 70
You see a man running up the steep Soap Box Derby hill at Oliver and George Washington and you have an immediate thought:

What's wrong with that guy?

It's the dead of summer and most people are sitting at home being air conditioned.

Not Bob Lida. He's running up the hill, which can be as much as 300 meters. And he's running as far as he can because that's what Lida has always done. For decade after decade until now, this moment, when he can proclaim himself the Fastest 70-year-old in the World.

Earlier this month, he won the 100-, 200- and 400-meter races at the World Masters Athletics Championships in Riccione, Italy.

His times: 13.26 in the 100, 26.80 in the 200 (.23 off the world age-group record) and 1:01 in the 400 (.09 off the world mark).

Lida has been running ever since he can remember, including his years at Kansas, where he was the Big Eight Indoor champion in the 400 meters. The difference with Lida is that he's never stopped running and he probably never will.

You should see the guy. He probably gets carded at nightclubs, as if he'd ever go into one. He smoked for eight years early in his life, a regret that has lingered. Otherwise, he's kept his 6-foot-2, 180-pound frame free of intoxicants and pollutants.

"The interesting thing about track is that you get out of it what you put into it," said Lida, who has cut back on his advertising business in the past several years so he can devote more time to running. "I train harder now than ever. Five days a week -- two on the track and three at the Soap Box Derby hill."

Lida has tried distance running, including three marathons. For him, though, there's nothing like running as hard and as fast as he can for a brief amount of time.

Who needs 26 miles when you can get through 400 meters in close to a minute?

Still.

"He's an animal," sometimes training partner Larry Staton said of Lida. "I try to keep up with him, but I can't."

Staton, 58, is a financial advisor who competes in Masters meets. When he looks 12 years down the road, though, he's not sure he can still be doing what Lida is doing. At least not as well.

"Bob's just one of those people who has to remain active," Staton said. "He's competitive. He pushes me really hard. I'm getting ready to put a picture of Bob Lida on my computer as the screen saver. It's him or my grandson, who's there now. But if I can figure out how to do a split screen, I'll do it."

Lida has battled injuries most of the past year and fell, nearly face first, on the track during the KU Relays in March because of a bad knee. He hurt his shoulder in the fall and, to those who saw it, it appeared as if Lida's running days might be over.

Hah.

His knee got better. His shoulder recovered after three months of rest. And Lida was back on the track with more determination than ever.

He once read in a magazine that people 60 should not train hard every day, but space out their strenuous workouts. Lida felt like canceling his subscription. He has never backed off, never taken an easier route.

The reason he's still running as well as he is, Lida believes, is because of his work ethic. If his body tells him to take it easy, he does. But unless he's hurting, he's sprinting.

He gets in his speed work on the track inside Cessna Stadium and he builds his strength on the hill, where he'll spend up to three hours on repetitions.

"You can't get into good, competitive shape running every other day," Lida said.

One of his biggest goals is to run a 400 in less than a minute. He's oh so close.

"I've got to get a second off of it somewhere," Lida said. "I'll probably try and do it indoors somewhere. I think I would have done it this year if I hadn't had the leg problems."

A few months back, Lida competed in the National Senior meet in Louisville, Ky., where runners, jumpers and throwers of all ages gathered.

Lida has this notion that he wants to run until he looks so bad, shuffling along in misery, that one of his family members literally pulls him off the track.

In Louisville, he watched as the oldest participants in the meet ran sprints. There were men in their 90s and Lida looked for the slightest shuffle in any of them.

He saw none.

Instead, he saw runners, including a 96-year-old, turning on their after burners in the home stretch of the 800 meters.

"They were running hell-bent-for-leather," Lida said. "None of them were shuffling. They were running."

Lida plans to be doing the same in 20 years. He's just a pup.

Eagle sports columnist Bob Lutz co-hosts "Sports Daily" from 9-11 a.m. weekdays on KFH, 1240-AM and 98.7-FM. Reach him at 316-268-6597 or blutz@wichitaeagle.com.

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I seen that 'ol boy and he can really get after it, boogety,...
what an inspiration to get out there and live.

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Sun Raider
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posted Sep-27-2007 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sun Raider     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jim

We are in agreement. Scottsdale and the surrounding area is beautiful running and I admit that it would not be hard to run "more" miles when down there. It is so pristine especially if you can get out in the desert a ways and run the trails. I am out near McCormick Ranch which is a newish development about half way up Scottsdale Blvd between Scottsdale and Freedom and Carefree.

Ksrunr, Nice post. Loooooooooong but nice.

Raider

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TheProFromDover
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posted Sep-27-2007 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TheProFromDover   Click Here to Email TheProFromDover     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Euphie,

All your runs should feel easy though the next week. Even if you insert some 9's in the middle. Remember, this last week there is nothing you can do to improve your condition. The only thing you can do is risk injury and/or go into your 10 miler overtrained.

Ok, I sound like your mother, but you know hwat I mean,
CRaigi

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euphoric
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posted Sep-27-2007 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for euphoric     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks. Gotcha. It was not my intent.

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Rich in NH
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posted Sep-27-2007 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rich in NH   Click Here to Email Rich in NH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I enjoyed the post as well ksrunr, thanks.

First day of carb loading for me, buckwheat pancakes, maple syrup, (a little) a plum, a veg. salad, whole wheat bread, strawberrie jam, a plate of whole wheat spaghettie, a pear and lots of water. I'll probably set a PR for the heaviest I've ever been going into a marathon.

Euph, nice run. The pro's right, easy on the legs now until race day.

Thursday

2 miles easy, 2 and a wake-up...


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Jim24315
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posted Sep-27-2007 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim24315   Click Here to Email Jim24315     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes KS, that was an great article. 26.8 for 200 at 70?? I would have thought that not possible for a 70 year old.

And I can't image a 90-year old not shuffling. At these past couple races Lan has been practicing with her new video camera by taping them. People who I thought were fast looked like they were just crawling along. My form was downright depressing. I knew it wasn't the greatest, but never realized I looked THAT bad. It made me think seriously about taking up weight training and working on my sprints.

Thursday - 7 miles very slow on grass. I felt good when I woke up this morning, but once I started trying to moving around the ol grass loop it was a different story.

One more good luck for the road, Rich


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Sun Raider
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posted Sep-27-2007 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sun Raider     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jim


Weights will do very little for form. They can help upper body but they will only add more stress to your legs if you do lower body. You run enough miles already.

Strider's, butt kicks, hops and general sprinters drills will be more effective.
It can change your form, quicken your leg turnover and extend your stride (which means you cover more ground with each foot strike). That can mean being a faster runner.

Raider

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