posted Aug-29-2007 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by fredurie:
Sunday

AM 9 @ conversational pace with Bill, 6 @ 6 to 6:30, 1 @
sub 6, 2 slower than 9, 65F and less humid

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Man, that's a strong workout. I can't believe you recovered from that quick enough to do high mileage this week.

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posted Aug-29-2007 01:01 PM            

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Originally posted by laker:
Man, that's a strong workout. I can't believe you recovered from that quick enough to do high mileage this week.

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I dragged for 2 days, and I was just barely back today.
Saturday will be difficult, but not impossible.

My glands are swollen, and I am tired when I get up at 4 AM.

But if Bill can do 12 rounds at 90F at age 54 with a woman
who was number 1 in the world, then I can do 100 miles.

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posted Aug-29-2007 01:28 PM            

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Originally posted by fredurie:
I dragged for 2 days, and I was just barely back today.
Saturday will be difficult, but not impossible.

My glands are swollen, and I am tired when I get up at 4 AM.

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So am I, but luckily I'm only up to use the bathroom and then I go back to bed. Good luck.

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posted Aug-29-2007 04:10 PM               

4.03 easy recovery miles - 35:00 - (8:40)
HR 123 / 133

My right knee and my calfs are sore

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posted Aug-29-2007 04:50 PM               

16m WU
3:56 (HR146) 2:25 (HR156)
3:51 (173) 2:27 (162)
3:54 (171) 2:27 (165)
3:59 (179) 2:34 (164)
4:00 (181) 2:27 (166)
4:00 (180) 2:30 (166)
4:03 (180) 2:33 (166)
4:06 (179) 2:31 (162)
17m CD
6:25 ave pace.
Total 11M 1:25 (7:45 pace)

After last weeks hills I felt some little pains that earned me day off.
Then it was 6M, 16M, 5M, 9M, and 11M. 47M in 5 days. A lot for me. But today is simply tired, not hurting.

Cheers,
Craig

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posted Aug-29-2007 08:13 PM               

Tue - 4 easy on road

Wed - 14 total (10 in morning plus 4 more in afternoon)
Morning workout was 5 x 1000 x 400 jog, then 4 x 200 x 200 jog (3:57, 3:58, 3:56, 3:56, :43, :44, :43, :44). Humid and mid 70's morning, up to 93 but not so humid for afternoon run.

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posted Aug-29-2007 08:29 PM               

Good luck with your week Fred, that's a lot of miles...

Don't know what's going on with me, Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday were all easy days of 3, 5 and 5 miles and my legs are still sore.

I'm supposed to race a half Sunday.

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posted Aug-30-2007 05:42 AM            

Fred, take care of yourself.

Rich, good luck Sunday.

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posted Aug-30-2007 11:20 AM            

AM 16 @ around 7:45, 70F and less humid, twice over the
hill ( HR 105 and 114 ) , HR around 99-100

Sore right achilles from the hill.

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posted Aug-30-2007 02:05 PM               

Oh boring day, boring w/o.
5 or 6 at some slow easy pace.
I think it's called easy/rest day.
yawn.
All annoying aches and pains stashed in their respective closets (with the other skeletons).

-CAJrg

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posted Aug-30-2007 08:39 PM               

1 mile warm up, 4 x 800 @ race pace, 1 mile cool down.

Tomorrow's a day off, something short Saturday, then race Sunday.

Not much of a confidence booster today, my legs are constant complainers lately.

Thanks Euph...

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posted Aug-31-2007 01:17 AM            

Good luck with your half. Just enjoy running. Remember when you could not run at all.

Go enjoy yourself. Last I saw none of us was in the Worlds in Osaka. Just go do it for yourself.

Raider

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posted Aug-31-2007 06:10 AM               

10.04 miles - 1:26:09 - (8:25)

HR 132 / 150

This was a progressive run, I struggled the first few miles with my right knee pain. The last five felt much better...knee still hurts though.

Rich...I know how you feel, my legs have felt much heavier lately although the past few days are a bit better with the exception of this right knee pain. I agree with Raider, just go out there and give it your best shot on Sunday. Run for yourself and enjoy it. Good luck and keep us posted.

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posted Aug-31-2007 09:26 AM            

Drove to the Appalachian Trail regional office, 5.6 miles from my house. A more challenging hill and a small lake are near the office. I can access the trail closer to home, but I like to check the bulletin board outside the office. "BEAR AWARENESS ALERT" was in the top left corner today. I decided to change my original, on the trail, warm up plan.

Warm up around lake, 6 x more challenging hill, cool down decision. I hit the trail.

Running the trail is a challenge for me because I have to be aware of terrain and watch for the white trail markings. I got lost on the trail, again, and fell into the Yellow Breeches, a crystal clear creek, in my new shoes. I was pretty cool at that point. Lesson learned: Two white slash marks on a tree means you are supposed to turn. Wear old shoes. Keep two towels and maybe a change of clothes in the car.

I'm going back tomorrow.

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posted Aug-31-2007 10:36 AM               

Here's a repost from 18 months ago. It's from "The Complete Runner"

"When we feel good, look good, and are alert and productive, our bodies will be adapting effectively to stresses (like running) which we place upon them. If we feel tired, pain, and are washed out, we need rest, not stress.

Simple common sense? Yes! But how many times have I heard runners and coaches say, “I felt tired in that race; I must need more work,” or “A workout’s no good unless it hurts,” or “I did not try hard enough,” etc.

If we train too little we do not improve. If we overtrain, our bodies not only fail to improve, but injury and/or illness are likely induced. How can the runner decide upon the quantity of training which produces improvement?

I believe that a practical determination of this optimum quantity can be arrived at by first learning the symptoms of initial overstress. The optimum quantity of running is, then, the largest amount which fails to produce these symptoms. In practice, the amount varies from day to day, and the experienced runner learns to “feel in this bones” the appropriate training for that moment.

Here is a list of key symptoms:

1. Mild leg soreness
2. Lowered general resistance (evidenced by sniffles, headache, fever blisters, etc.)
3. Washed out feeling and I-don’t-care attitude.
4. Poor coordination (evidenced by general clumsiness, tripping, stubbing one’s fee, poor auto driving, etc.)
5. Hangover from previous run.

I cannot overemphasize the importance of this list. If any of these symptoms is observed today, it is likely that yesterday’s run was too hard to allow the body to adapt effectively to its stress and to improve. Instead of getting a little better, you’ve gotten a little worse. Easy running should now commence, and harder running be resumed only after all these symptoms disappear.

One should also not that all these symptoms are quite mild. They are not dramatic and are, unfortunately, all too often ignored because they seem trivial. But remember that when training effectively you should feel good.

The first symptom, mild leg soreness, is perhaps the most important. It means that the legs are too tired for any real work. It is in this fatigued state that the opportunity of injury becomes fertile…"

Skipping ahead to another key point that got my attention:

"There is no surer path to injury, poor health and bad racing than a stubborn dedication to a strict training schedule. No one can design in advance a training schedule which can anticipate the many variables…"and it continues on.

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posted Aug-31-2007 10:49 AM            

Friday

AM 17 @ 7:10 to 7:40, 57F and dew point 52F, HR 102 to 106.

Either 100 or 105 tomorrow.

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posted Aug-31-2007 11:04 AM            

Thanks, Jim. You've given me something to think about and your post is certainly worth at least a second read.

Edited to add that Fred and I were writing at the same time.

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posted Aug-31-2007 11:07 AM               

Comments anyone?

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posted Aug-31-2007 11:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Jim24315:
I don't think that "rest" necessarily means taking days off. If you run enough slower miles between strenuous efforts it is possible to feel rested. When we can't get recovered by running slowly we are probably pushing training harder than what we can handle.

Comments anyone?

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I've been overtraining for years; why stop now.

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posted Aug-31-2007 11:15 AM               

Jim: yes, yes, and YES!!! Thanks for the reminder

GG: welcome back...good to have you around again

Rich: looking forward to your RR

Euphie: I wanna be just like you...sounds like fun, even the falling into the creek part....

Well, had last physical therapy session last week, and last sports doc visit this week...still not running, but pain is less and less, and I know that soon, very soon......basically I just need to let it heal...there is no more that medicine can do....I recommend Mobic..a once a day prescription anti inflammatory. For me, its better than IBU, and my creaks and groans in the a.m. are gone, gone, gone. I feel like a teenager again.

Swimming is coming along...did 1 hour in the pool yesterday. Moved to the outdoor pool (it is closing soon) which is 24 yd instead of 18. Took a couple of swipes, but was eventually able to complete a to and from without stopping. Thanks god for swimming.

Mr. Ribs, hope your MRI isn't too frightening....

And August has me, once again, with ZERO running miles.....sob.

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posted Aug-31-2007 11:46 AM            

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Originally posted by fredurie:
I've been overtraining for years; why stop now.

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Fred - That's a lot of mileage you're doing there. Arthur Taylor
used to run that mileage in the early 80's and ran a 2:27 marathon and a 15:41 5k. Are you gearing up for some
specific races. Cheers

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