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John2635
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 posted Jun-02-2007 01:45 PM
  
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Originally posted by Dark Horse:
Holly,I was just thinking about your 23:45, and intuitively it seemed to me you should be running a sub-4:00 marathon with that kind of 5K time. Indeed, I plugged your 5K time into McMillan's calculator, and it spits out 3:51:32 for your predicted marathon time. McMillan's calculator assumes you are equally well-trained for all distances. Based on your mileage, I believe you were reasonably well-trained for your marathon, though I recall you had some knee issues late in the game, which may have been a factor in slowing you down. However, your marathon time was well over 4:00, if I recall correctly, adjusting for your short course. This suggests you are actually better suited for the 5K. Either that, or you are rapidly improving, and therefore your PRs are still soft and not reliable. There's yet another plausible explanation for the discrepancy between your 5K and marathon times. George Sheehan called weight the single most important factor in distance running. I know talking to wimmen about weight is just about the last thing any sensible man would do, but no one's ever accused me of being sensible. So I'll just suggest, if you lost 5-10 pounds, you would be somewhat faster in the 5K and a lot faster in the marathon. Those few pounds may well explain why McMillan's calculator is "off" in comparing your 5K and marathon times. Dark Horse
Ya know, she's going to read this entire post and the only thing she'll see is that you called her fat. You may want to consider staying in Kosovo until this blows over, which may be years from now 
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kameele
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posted Jun-02-2007 02:04 PM
DH, you're a braver man than I (not that there was a huge amount of doubt about that)Holly--WOW--i can't decide which is most impressive, the 1st in AG or 4 of the women. 40-49 is such a competitve group, but there's also always a few 20's and 30's that seem to smoke the field. I guess I'll quit and just say --WOW. you're one of the 40's that smoked the field Kevin
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Dark Horse
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posted Jun-02-2007 02:07 PM
John,Thanks, buddy. Remind me to bring a banana peel to your next race. Dark Horse ------------------
I'm a dark horse, running on a dark race course
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hollys4874
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posted Jun-02-2007 02:42 PM
Dark Horse – I do see your point about the discrepancy between my marathon time and my 5K (and HM) times. Here’s my explanation:1. In planning my marathon pace, I was using the McMillan calculation based on my November, 2006 5K, which projected a much slower marathon time than my recent races predict. 2. I had no Garmin and no mile markers (even the half-way point was mismeasured, so that time-check was wrong), and had no real knowledge of my pace during my marathon, so I went slower than I had intended. 3. I could have gone at a faster pace during the marathon, but I was more concerned with being able to finish the race, i.e. careful pacing and not hitting the wall. That first time I was more or less just finding out if I could complete the job without collapsing before the end. For the next marathon, I will be more prepared, have more miles under my belt, and I will have a Garmin to help me with pacing. I don’t know if I can actually pull off a sub-4:00 marathon, because the McMillan calculator assumes that you put in the necessary training to get there, and with 2 kids, a full-time job, and many other demands of my time, I know I will not put in the sort of training that McMillan assumes, i.e. 60-70 mile weeks. I’ll try to do the best I can without sacrificing too much family time. As for losing weight, well, that’s a thought, but it’s easier said than done. For crying out loud, DH, I already weigh 112 lbs, and maintaining THAT is a fulltime job. Don't think I don't already spend a lot of time trying to lose that last 5 lbs.
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Holly
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lyndenrunner
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posted Jun-02-2007 03:04 PM
Congratulations on a Hugh PR and #1 in your AG!!!Holly is #1
Holly is #1
Holly is #1 Greta Race... ------------------
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TMWIP
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posted Jun-02-2007 03:41 PM
WTG Holly!! Great PR, 1st AG and RR! Night time running is great! I'd love to find a race handing out free ice cold beers!
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jemmama
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posted Jun-02-2007 03:52 PM
Holly, you da man! I mean da girl! Fabulous time! You're tough. WTG!
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Dark Horse
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posted Jun-02-2007 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by hollys4874:
For crying out loud, I already weigh 112 lbs, and maintaining THAT is a fulltime job. Don't think I don't already spend a lot of time trying to lose that last 5 lbs.
Holly, Well, consider this: A lot of people view exercise as a way to keep their weight down, and it does help. But at the same time, they use their exercise as an excuse to eat more than they need. As in: "I ran 5 miles today, so I can have that piece of pie." If they ran the 5 miles and didn't have that piece of pie, they could lose a little weight. If they did that enough times, they could be right where they wanted to be, weight-wise. Besides, exercising as a means of weight control is highly inefficient, timewise. Consider how much time you save, simply by not eating the pie: EATING THE PIE:
Pie-eating, 10 minutes
Running to burn off the calories, 1 hour
Total time expended: 1 hour, 10 minutes NOT EATING THE PIE:
Pie-eating, 0 minutes
Running to burn off the calories, 0 hours
Total time expended: 0 hours, 0 minutes As you can see by doing the math, it's only a full-time job to maintain your weight, if you are using exercise to balance out over-eating. John2635 ------------------
I'm a dark horse, running on a dark race course
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millbot
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posted Jun-02-2007 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by Dark Horse:
John2635
Holly, wow. What a great performance! One of the fast ones indeed: that's a 64.33% age graded performance. That's studly!
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Dark Horse
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posted Jun-02-2007 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by hollys4874:
with 2 kids
And another thing, I don't want to hear that excuse about having to raise kids. Forget the kids, and focus on what's important. Good parenting is overrated, anyway. Romulus and Remus were raised by a wolf, and they turned out OK. Dark Horse ------------------
I'm a dark horse, running on a dark race course
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John2635
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posted Jun-02-2007 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by Dark Horse:
And another thing, I don't want to hear that excuse about having to raise kids. Forget the kids, and focus on what's important. Good parenting is overrated, anyway. Romulus and Remus were raised by a wolf, and they turned out OK.Dark Horse
I mean rape and murder are OK,.... right DH
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Dark Horse
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posted Jun-02-2007 05:11 PM
John,The rape of the Sabine women? Get over it. They did, according to Plutarch. About the murder issue: you have to break a few eggs when you're founding Rome. Dark Horse ------------------
I'm a dark horse, running on a dark race course
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mariposai
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posted Jun-02-2007 05:39 PM
Three cheers to the 5k speed queen!!!!!! I am so glad to see that you did have the chance to run this race (the last I read the post your DH had to work). I was equally glad that you had asked the questions about 5k racing since many of us learned a ton out of the pearls of wisdom people shared with you on the thread.At this rate, you are going to BQ on your first whole marathon. You are one amazing runner. It is always fun to read your posts and to see you faithful you are to your training. What an inspiration you are. Two beers after the race is a great way to start. Will there be a celebration at your place tonight? (just don't tell Dark Horse how many beers you drink since he will tell you the equivalence of that in calories) And know, please allow me to bow down to you SPEED QUEEN  ------------------
"Everyone in life is looking for a certain rush. Running is where I get mine."
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Rich in NH
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posted Jun-02-2007 05:47 PM
This made me laugh... "My face was so hot you could fry an egg on it."Nice race, congrats! 
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MustangSally
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posted Jun-02-2007 06:06 PM
Holly, that's truly impressive.Someday, if you and I manage to get good training in and keep our noses clean, wouldn't it be fun to meet in (whisper) Boston? Good on ya. DH, you ain't never seeing a picture of me ever ever ever.
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roy c
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posted Jun-02-2007 06:22 PM
Wow Holly
I bow down to you, you are so improved over the last year, it is a pleasure to watch.
Fantastic Job.
Roy
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tselbs
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posted Jun-02-2007 06:28 PM
Holly, you are one tough and determined lady. You've trained hard and it's paid off. Congratulations on the big PR and AG win. Incidently, I think it's neat that your husband gave up the overtime so you could do this race. I'll bet he enjoyed his time at the water park with the kids and that he's proud of your race performance.TomS ------------------
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hollys4874
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posted Jun-02-2007 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by Dark Horse: As you can see by doing the math, it's only a full-time job to maintain your weight, if you are using exercise to balance out over-eating.
Well, duh! Except in my case it's about being able to eat 1700-1800 calories/day rather than 1400-1500 calories/day. Not a lot of room for pie there, even with the running. Thank you, everyone, for all your wonderful comments. It means so much to me to be able to share this stuff with you. Boomers are the best! ------------------
Holly
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Sans Souci
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posted Jun-02-2007 08:12 PM
Wait, wait, wait, Holly! <sharp elbow to Dark Horse's midsection> First, I don't think you need that limoncello. You're already running on your own jet fuel. What a beautiful run and congratulations on the 1st place. I'd sure like to know what that feels like. I don't know how you working moms and dads manage to fit running into your already busy lives. To do it so well ... icing on the cake -- yes, C-A-K-E, or pie or whatever pleases you. Of course it's fun to see such hugh improvement and to be running so speedily, but I hope you run for the pure enjoyment and because it's part of who you are. Rawk on, Holly.
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mariposai
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posted Jun-02-2007 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by Sans Souci:
I hope you run for the pure enjoyment and because it's part of who you are.Rawk on, Holly.
Well said Sans souci. Running for the pure enjoyment and because it is part of who we are is the reason why all of us should be running. On the other hand... not eating the German dessert tonight may just give me a PR on my next marathon.... something to consider... So... DH is I drink a glass of German wine, what the heck, make it two and a medium size black forest cake tonight, how much or for how long do I have to work out tomorrow in the heat to burn that up?
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Dark Horse
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posted Jun-02-2007 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by hollys4874:
in my case it's about being able to eat 1700-1800 calories/day rather than 1400-1500 calories/day. Not a lot of room for pie there, even with the running.
Holly, I think it was John2635 who posted that rather insensitive analysis of pie-eating. What do you expect from a guy who doesn't like the Monkees, doesn't like the Beatles, and doesn't even like "Signs" by the Five Man Electrical Band. That's a lot of negativity for one guy to carry around; he must be staggering under the heavy burden. Dark Horse ------------------
I'm a dark horse, running on a dark race course
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La Tortuga
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posted Jun-02-2007 08:55 PM
Holly - you are either too nice or were not raised with brothers.DH - nice try - your theory is so full of holes that it looks like swiss cheese!
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janie b good
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posted Jun-02-2007 09:38 PM
Holly-- Oh my gosh!... you were smokin' hot! Signed, Whale janie (who weighed in today at 124#) ------------------
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DaveinAA
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posted Jun-02-2007 09:48 PM
Well done, holly. Great to see all your hard work paying off.
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ptbrown
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posted Jun-02-2007 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by TMWIP:
WTG Holly!! Great PR, 1st AG and RR! Night time running is great! I'd love to find a race handing out free ice cold beers!
SkipAz mentioned the Utica (NY) 15K in July. Sponsored by the Utica Club Brewery and the finish line is at the entrance to the brewery (free tours).
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