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Montreal's "ready for summer" runners


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Truxx
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posted May-03-2007 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Truxx   Click Here to Email Truxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Everyone, I am finally feeling better from that cold, and almost ready to start running again, It will be a little weezy from this cough that won't leave, but I shoould be fine.. The old couch to 5k routine and hopefully some distance soon..
Shoot, that interval run sounds fun, Mercury1. I hope I can make one of these Wedsnesday nights with the group. I definately follow the cake\!\

I will give a report sometime soon after I get some miles on my new shoes!

The Fun run sounds cool Rolyone but I think that must be the same day as Whiteface.. Now I have choices.. I'll sleep on it.

Truxx

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Mr Lambchops
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posted May-03-2007 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr Lambchops     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kingsley zissou:
Okay, I haven't been here very long but are you refering to GROLY? You two seem inseperable...

... Groly... I like that... better than Gromez

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Mercury1
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posted May-03-2007 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercury1   Click Here to Email Mercury1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry DR. ....I was too oxygen deprived to think clearly.......cake?......oh ya, cake.......it was great, I think. Must have lost more brain cells from oxidation of the brain.......rusting on the inside as it were.

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lifeany
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posted May-03-2007 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lifeany     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well... another first for me tonight... running in shorts!!!!

It's not that big of a deal... but for me it's huge! Everyone in town thinking that I am crazy because I'm in shorts

Great evening to run... 35 minutes. Another long run this week-end and then I'll take it easy for the 2 runs before the race!

Now I just have to figure out what I'll wear!

By the way I have a little question : after the race I was thinking of adding one day of running in my week (for a total of 4). Should I add a day of running or keep 3 days and add some distance?

Thanks ! Any

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kingsley zissou
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posted May-03-2007 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kingsley zissou     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey lifeany,

If I were a girl I'd wear one of these:

http://www.runningskirts.com/index.html

:-)

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lifeany
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posted May-03-2007 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lifeany     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually there is a big thread about that in the newbie section... is it comfortable or not to wear a skirt to run!!!

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Mercury1
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posted May-03-2007 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercury1   Click Here to Email Mercury1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Toolate KZ.....I've already ordered one.........black & pink......that should keep you guessing.......(ha ha) Tell him someone......pleeeeeease.

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grommit
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posted May-04-2007 12:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for grommit   Click Here to Email grommit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mercury1:
Toolate KZ.....I've already ordered one.........black & pink......that should keep you guessing.......(ha ha) Tell him someone......pleeeeeease.

..... capt. mercury can always be relied apon for the savviest run-wear... however his dress sense is sorta-out-there along with his pain/stupidity threshold....

.... let's clear up the groly, romez, gromly, romez.... and all anagrams thereof thing.... it's the luxury of time, people...... let's face it how much of a bond can you build in a 37 minute 10K? not much..... I guess this is where the disciplines devide..... short runs.... it's every man for himself .... but throw in some climatic/topographic fun & a few extra miles .... and it's safety in numbers.....chops knows... he hikes/climbs...... and he's got white tights too

grom


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Silly Sally
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posted May-04-2007 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Silly Sally   Click Here to Email Silly Sally     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I personally wouldn't order the run skirt, though they ARE cute. I like shorts that weigh like nothing and feel the same. open slit legs. I don't like to feel any binding when I lift my leg. But that's just me ...

The skirts look fab for tennis though? Anyone up for a match? TB? KJ?

Gromley: Is it time for a soup? At one point, I'd like to check out my headlamp in the dark woods with you, like we did last year. It'll be a little safer this time round now that I'll be able to see in front of my own feet and not just yours.

Sally, who finally ran a bit (14k whew!)

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Silly Sally
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posted May-04-2007 07:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Silly Sally   Click Here to Email Silly Sally     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LifeAny: Add distance to one particular run each week ... maybe one km. Repeat for a few weeks until you are comfortable with the new distance then add another kilometre. You might want to take 2 recovery days after your longer run.

When you get really comfortable with that and are reaching a limit in distance (depends on your interest level), you could add a fourth day of running, could be your shortest day. Or add a really brisk walk.

Good luck!

Sally

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rolyone
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posted May-04-2007 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rolyone   Click Here to Email rolyone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Best Directions Ever.

Follow these steps [in order of course]
1. Go to www.google.ca
2. Click on maps
3. Click on get directions
4. Go from " Montreal , Quebec " to " Kalamata , Greece "
5. Scroll down in the directions to number 20

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kneejerk
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posted May-04-2007 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kneejerk   Click Here to Email kneejerk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rolyone:
Best Directions Ever.

Follow these steps [in order of course]
1. Go to www.google.ca
2. Click on maps
3. Click on get directions
4. Go from " Montreal , Quebec " to " Kalamata , Greece "
5. Scroll down in the directions to number 20


Those are great instructions (for Superman).

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dragonsrouges
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posted May-04-2007 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonsrouges   Click Here to Email dragonsrouges     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Swim across the Atlantic Ocean.

Yeah, so? Sounds fun!

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Turtleboy
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posted May-04-2007 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Turtleboy   Click Here to Email Turtleboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
KZ and LifeAny: Are running skirts the same as, "skorts" (short + skirt)? I've seen them worn in competition in women's tennis. Thoughts anyone?

LifeAny: Consider adding another day to your running schedule. By running more frequently, this will open the door in allowing you to become a stronger runner.

This is accomplished by varying the nature of the workouts. The additional workout could be in the form of a speed workout. Variety in the nature of the workouts prevents against boredom from settling in.

Becoming a stronger runner means being able to increase the frequency, intensity and duration subject to the constraint of scheduling and injury. Running shorter distances translates into shorter recovery times.

As you become a stronger runner, your base speed will increase which means that regardless of duration, the distance covered will increase.

Best,

TB

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rolyone
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posted May-04-2007 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rolyone   Click Here to Email rolyone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So Grommit,

I was thinking of getting a T-shirt made for the VT100

On the front will read "Official Pacer for Team Grommit Vermont 100 miler 2007.
On the back it will read "I'm with Stupid-------->"

We can make Crew shirts fo the others that have the same

Just a thought.

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lifeany
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posted May-04-2007 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lifeany     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi TB,

Yes the "running skirt" is like a skort... a short legging under a skirt. I am not really into that, it looks too tight, not really good for the stride I think...

Thanks to you and SS for answering my question...now I am more confused than ever

Any

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Viich
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posted May-04-2007 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Viich     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello all,

Short introduction, my name is Craig, I'm 28, and have been pushed towards shorter faster races. I'm just moved to the area, St-Jean sur Richeleau from New Brunswick (Yes, Army. Doing Second Language Training)

Just looking for some people to run with now and then. Speed isn't really all that important at the moment, but company is nice now and then.

Further out, I'll be looking for help looking for a race or two. Maybe a 10K in mid-late june and looking for open track stuff at the end of the summer.

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Turtleboy
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posted May-04-2007 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Turtleboy   Click Here to Email Turtleboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome on board Viich. What part of town do you live in? I'll be running this Sunday morning starting from the downtown core. I'm not as fast as yourself but it'll be nice to meet a friendly face. Send me an e-mail message to my address on my profile.

TB

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dragonsrouges
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posted May-04-2007 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonsrouges   Click Here to Email dragonsrouges     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can hook you up with a bunch of people your speed who train on MR or in the plateau area... Sub-2:45 marathoners and sub-4:20 1500m runners... training for distance and track. When do you run? (probably in st-jean?)

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Truxx
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posted May-04-2007 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Truxx   Click Here to Email Truxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome Viich. I am in the South SHore, and enjoy finding new places to run also. Between here and St.Jean there must be quite a few nice places. I like St.Bruno because it is close to me, but I am looking forward to finding more places. I guess the weekends are going to be the best time.. We can plan something and keep the running time around an hour or so...
As for events.. I am going to do a couple in the 10k range, however I still haven't registered for any... Hopefully at least one trail race sometime soon...
Truxx

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Mercury1
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posted May-04-2007 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercury1   Click Here to Email Mercury1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Viich. Where you from in NB? Gagetown or Oromocto. I lived near both, St. John & Fredericton.Ran Cross-Country for UNB back in the 7o's when we were winning consequetive Maritime university titles. I live in the west end (Lachine) if you ever want to chat / run.

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Silly Sally
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posted May-05-2007 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Silly Sally   Click Here to Email Silly Sally     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lifeany:
Thanks to you and SS for answering my question...now I am more confused than ever

LA: Don't listen to TB ;p... he thinks everyone should aim for speed. I don't get the impression that that's what you're looking for presently though, but correct me if I'm wrong.

TB: I wouldn't agree that it necessarily takes shorter to recover after a speed workout than a little bit of a longer run. I've run 20k and not been all that bad the next day, hardly anything, just a little stiffness upon rising. Speedwork greatly increases the risk of injury. If LA builds her LSD (long slow distance) gradually and continues with a 3-day program, making sure to take two days off to recuperate, I still think she'd be closer to her goal.

Besides, the bonus is that the added distance will definitely push her into fat-burning zone instead of burning glycogen, and that is what she'd like, to lose weight. Right now, her heart rate is probably not in as low a zone as she could be for the most efficient fat-burning, but as she starts to drop more weight, become stronger, and get more cardio fit, then her heart rate will drop into a better zone.

Right now, I don't think LA has as wide of a running base yet to recuperate quicker. She will get that with time and mileage, not speed work. Base work before speed work, you know this rule. Wider the base, the faster the recovery, even if the sport is fast twitch muscles. I could go and go and go in kickboxing rounds because of my endurance cardio. Also, I remember meeting an elite runner (short track) that often ran 20k or more for an LSD once a week.

Besides, what do you think I run my races on ... fumes from my silly thoughts? No, I have a wide base that goes back real far. And ... I'm really stubborn.

Just my 74 cents ... but as with any advice, LA, it's all up to you and what you feel most comfortable with. You know your body best and what your goal is. So do like what I do, and listen to your body - she'll tell you everything. This will help you to avoid injury as well.

Roly is finally doing a better job of listening to his body, though we all know he doesn't recuperate enough after some of those long runs ... Hence, his injuries. TB used to be the same ... would push too hard, but he's wisened up.

Don't forget LA, a big part of training is teaching the body how to recuperate. Many times during my Ironman training, my coach would not let me do the planned session because he knew how tired I was. It is difficult to come back from burnout ...

Sally

p.s. Welcome Viitch ... boy, you're fast!


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rolyone
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posted May-05-2007 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rolyone   Click Here to Email rolyone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Silly Sally:
Roly is finally doing a better job of listening to his body, though we all know he doesn't recuperate enough after some of those long runs ... Hence, his injuries. TB used to be the same ... would push too hard, but he's wisened up.

I do listen to my body. It's says Ouch a lot less now.

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Turtleboy
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posted May-05-2007 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Turtleboy   Click Here to Email Turtleboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LifeAny: What are your running goals? A natural tendency for runners is desire to add distance.

Given that three of your workouts are base runs, the marginal benefit from the fourth workout is greater from a speed workout than it is from a base run. The key here is efficiency. What provides you with the most benefit for the time spent and the opportunity cost of adding a fourth workout.

Any running program (off the web or Runner's world magazine) will incorporate, "speed" workouts. This can be defined by time or distance at a faster than jogging pace.

Base building as SS mentions is paramount to building endurance. Hence, looking at the suggested revised schedule 75% of your runs are base building and 25% are speed ones.

This variety so early in your training program will permit you the ability to build slow and fast twitch muscles thus allowing you to become a more comprehensive runner in terms of breadth and depth over time (ability to perform in short and long distance runs with endurance for both types of running).

SS raises the point of injury. Are there any reasons that would prevent you from incorporating a speed workout? If none, from a timing point of view, it is best to incorporate speedworkouts now when you are running shorter distances than later when you are accustomed to running longer distances. By incorporating speedworks later in your program, your development as a runner is incongruent.

You may find yourself being able to run long distances over long stretches of time but are unable to run a short distance at a quick pace, (or with great agony) because you have not developed the muscles nor the cardiovascular ability to handle these paces. By incorporating speed training early progress of both endurance and speed occur in tandem.

In summary regardless of you running objectives, efficiency is paramount. Afterall, why would anyone want to run longer than required regardless if the motivation is either recreation or personal best? Motivation is fuelled by progress. Efficiency results in progress and results in an increased longevity as a runner.

This is the reason why the suggestion that the additional work out be in the form of a speed workout.

Best,

TB

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Mercury1
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posted May-05-2007 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercury1   Click Here to Email Mercury1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Woooooooaaaaahhhhh. TB. I s that how you get fast. I'll need to try that! Hmmm.

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