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mdevoe
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 posted Nov-02-2006 12:39 PM
  
I'm running the Old Reliable 10K this year for the first time. I know they have changed the course from the one they have used in the past. But I can't seem to find a course map anywhere. Does anyone have any information on the new course or know where a map could be found? I like to know what I'm getting myself into!Thanks!
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mdevoe
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posted Nov-02-2006 12:42 PM
Nevermind - I just went to their website and it looks like they must have just added the new course maps. Anyone else running in this one?
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Nov-02-2006 03:13 PM
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Nevermind - I just went to their website and it looks like they must have just added the new course maps. Anyone else running in this one?
I will be there. However, I will be running in the 10K jogging stroller division as long as the weather is good. The course change should not matter that much. The course is pretty flat either way. Are you doing the 5K or the 10K? Remember when you see the capital in the 10K it is all downhill from there. It is about 1.50 miles from the finish but you really can make up a lot of time on that last stretch. ------------------
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swatkins
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posted Nov-02-2006 04:56 PM
They've changed the Old Reliable???? Aaackk! I'm actually not running this year, but that has always been my favorite race.
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cretia29
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posted Nov-02-2006 08:00 PM
I thought I was gonna drop in the "Raleigh" area and see if I could post for a jogging buddy. I'm a newbie.. and I can see by this thread that I can NOT hang w/ the big dogs.. Therefore, I'm just dropping in to say hello. I've been in Raleigh for about 1 1/2 yrs and I'm just starting a jogging prog. I'm pretty active (walking, TM, etc), but just initiating jogging and I'm determined.Perhaps there is a newer jogger browsing. Drop and line and maybe a few of us could meet at the local parks.. This Raleigh site is awesome and pretty darn large compared to some of the other areas... Wl check in to say hello! ------------------
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rlemert
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posted Nov-02-2006 09:38 PM
I took a look at the Old Reliable 10k route map, and while I've only done it once (last year) I don't think the changes look to be too drastic. It does look like they've made it simpler - fewer turns that what I remember in the first half where it heads NE of the capital, but that could just be my imagination. It's going to be a darn sight less "intense" than the Inside-Out 10k two weeks ago, though. I hadn't planned on running it originally (since it's not part of the 2nd Empire Grand Prix this year), but I did so well at Inside-Out that I feel like I could break 60:00 in a flatter course, so I'm seriously considering adding Old Reliable to my fall calendar. Miss Cretia - Don't let JDF, Brook, and the other "elites" in the area be too intimidating. There are some mere mortals like myself in the area (and in this forum). I'm getting faster, but I still feel more like a glacier compared to some of these guys.
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Nov-02-2006 10:36 PM
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I hadn't planned on running it originally (since it's not part of the 2nd Empire Grand Prix this year), but I did so well at Inside-Out that I feel like I could break 60:00 in a flatter course, so I'm seriously considering adding Old Reliable to my fall calendar. Miss Cretia - Don't let JDF, Brook, and the other "elites" in the area be too intimidating. There are some mere mortals like myself in the area (and in this forum). I'm getting faster, but I still feel more like a glacier compared to some of these guys.
rlemert, definitely run the Old Reliable. It is a huge event with people at every pace. I would be willing to bet that you will blow past the magic hour mark at the Old Reliable. You can do it. Like you said you had a great race at the Inside Out Sports run. That course was crazy hard. The Old reliable is pretty flat. Just pace yourself for the first 3-4 miles. Then burn it up towards the finish. Cretia,
Well rlemert may have tagged us elites, but I for one and far from an elite runner. We are just average people who do train hard but we also support other runners who want to get into the sport. If you do want to see some elite runners just show up for the Nike race this weekend. They actually have some pro runners in that race. The old reliable is an excellent race. It is a nice flat course compared to some of the hilly courses in the area. If you want to do a shorter race then they have the 5K or you can do the main event 10K. No matter what distance you run you will have a good time at the race. Come say hi to me at the race. You will recognize me by the big yellow stroller. See you guys there.
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swatkins
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posted Nov-03-2006 06:35 AM
What elite runners will be at the Nile 5K? I hope they are all men so I can get some points 
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brook trout
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posted Nov-03-2006 07:40 AM
Hey guys and gals, please don't be intimidated by anyone here! None of us are remotely close to being elite, and we certainly welcome new runners to join the thread!I'm not sure if I'm going to do the Reliable. Taking it day by day with this wrecked hamstring. It's 90% right now, but I'm still not ready to run on it, again. OBX folks - how long do you expect it will take you to get to your race location from the triangle? ------------------
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Nov-03-2006 09:01 AM
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What elite runners will be at the Nile 5K? I hope they are all men so I can get some points
I guess I did say elite in the post above. I meant to say Pro runners. I think there is a difference. A true elite runner would blaze a 5K in around 14 minutes or less. A pro runner can be anyone who takes money to run. I am not sure who it is supposed to be. At several races I have heard that Nike is paying a couple of people to run in the race to drum up some publicity for the area. They might be elite runners or they might just be some really fast runners that Nike is paying. However, the Nike race is during the New York marathon. I wouldn't expect any elite runners to miss the NY marathon for a 5K in Raleigh. What will be interesting to see is if these paid guys are only running in the mid to low 14's then they might get some competition from the local guys. Devon, Seaton, and L'HEUREUX could all give them a run for their money. Heck I have often thought wouldn’t it be fun to just hang with those guys for 1 mile with the double jogger? If it was downhill then I think I could do about a 4:50 mile with the kids. I would be wasted after that but it would be fun to see them start to wonder if I was for real. Anyway, I don’t think I will ever do that but it is fun to think about. See you at the race!
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Nov-03-2006 10:12 AM
Check this out! It is a gmaps for the Nike course this weekend. If you turn on the elevation markers then you can see where the big hills are. And yes there are some big hills on this course.http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=525010
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brook trout
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posted Nov-03-2006 10:16 AM
Yikes. I like that 100' elevation change between 1.5 and 2.5 miles.
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Nov-03-2006 01:11 PM
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Yikes. I like that 100' elevation change between 1.5 and 2.5 miles.
If you think the Nike one is bad. Check out the Southern Village 5K. It rises about 150 feet in half a mile and at one point you go up about 100 feet in a quarter of a mile! That course is nuts! http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=525374 [This message has been edited by JasonsDrivingForce (edited Nov-03-2006).]
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Nov-03-2006 03:33 PM
Here is the old reliable course and elevations if anyone is interested.http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=525556
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Nov-03-2006 03:53 PM
Finally, here is the Raleigh Turkey Trot map and elevations. This is the final race in the 2nd empire grand prix series.http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=525583
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Nov-04-2006 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by JasonsDrivingForce:
Check this out! It is a gmaps for the Nike course this weekend. If you turn on the elevation markers then you can see where the big hills are. And yes there are some big hills on this course.http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=525010
I went and checked out the Nike course this morning. It is not as bad as the map indicated. Can't wait to see what I can do after the increase in training this week. I also went out and bought the books and some more cold wether gear. I am really going to go for this marathon! Wish me luck. ------------------
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brook trout
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posted Nov-04-2006 06:50 PM
Good luck, JDF! Where are you going to do your long runs? I'm going to do my marathon specific runs on the Wake section of the Tobacco trail down there in Cary/Apex. It's as close as I can get to the surface I'll be running on for my goal marathon. That won't start for a few months, probably after Christmas. For now, I'm running long at Shelley lake and Umstead. The marathon prep runs'll be 20 milers with some (up to 15 miles) at marathon goal pace. Maybe we can get a group together (I know Jay's running the same marathon with a similar time goal). [This message has been edited by brook trout (edited Nov-04-2006).]
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Nov-04-2006 07:34 PM
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Good luck, JDF! Where are you going to do your long runs? I'm going to do my marathon specific runs on the Wake section of the Tobacco trail. It's as close as I can get to the surface I'll be running on for my goal marathon. That won't start for a few months, probably after Christmas. The runs'll be 20 milers with some (up to 15 miles) at marathon goal pace (~7:10-7:15/mile). Maybe we can get a group together (I know [b]Jay's running the same marathon with a similar time goal). [/B]
My training course starts at my house on Cary Parkway and goes up towards Weston parkway where the Inside Out Half Marathon went through. It is 6 miles from my house to where the Umstead park trail starts. I will probably just try to do another 6 miles in the park. That should bring me pretty close to the right distance. I would love to run with someone. Just let me know when you plan on running. And I promise my pace without the stroller is much more consistent arround 6:55-7:10. I plan on going all out tomorrow in the Nike race. If I get a good start then I will be looking for a 5:25 first mile!
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Nov-05-2006 10:00 PM
Well I did the Nike race today which was the fourth race in the Second Empire Grand Prix series. The conditions were ideal the course was not. A water main broke a few minutes before the start and flooded part of the street. It wasn't that bad though. We started out and the field was not as big as I thought it was going to be. They had billed this race as one of the premiere events in Raleigh. I guess they forgot to check when the NY marathon was going to be run. It looked like a lot like everyone stayed home for that or they were actually in it. Where were all the pros(Besides the local ones)? Anyway we got started and the whole first mile was downhill except a few short uphills. I started off fast because I knew what was coming later on. I was right on the pace I wanted. I had a 5:32 first mile with both kids! I had a 9:38 for the first half so I was still doing ok. However, that is when we hit the hill. Now I have run up steeper(Much steeper in fact) but this hill was deceptive. It just kept going and going. With the stroller as heavy as it is now(85+ pounds), it just felt like a ton of bricks. It is amazing how much it slows me down now. I went from the sub 6 pace to way over 8 in just a few feet. I struggled up the hill and when I got to the top I felt like I still had something left. I picked up the pace and had a decent last half mile. However, the last 200 yards was uphill again so that really hurt me. I ended up with a 20:54. I was actually pleased with that. That was a decent effort with the stroller.I just wanted to say good job to rlemert. You had a pretty strong finish and it looked like you set your PR by a good bit. I also had a good chat with swatkins. I am not sure how you finished up though. Congrats to everyone who will place in the Grand Prix Series. It is pretty tough to run consistently over so many races. Great job. See you at the final race! Oh yea the final race(The Turkey trot) has a new course. It starts near the Inside out in Cary now. Looks like another hilly 8K course but I am not sure. Hope to see you guys on Turkey day!
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jaysoffian
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posted Nov-05-2006 10:17 PM
BT, I do my Sunday long runs on the ATT. I know it real well. I was running it pretty early over the summer but I'll probably run it later in the day in Jan/Feb till the days get warmer. Dunno how you feel about afternoon runs. I agree, it should be a similar surface to the Creeper. FWIW, it's not a particularly fast surface compared to street running. I think the drive to OBX is about 4-5 hours.JDF - If I can offer you one piece of advice ... take it easy on those long runs. The time on your feet/distance is more important than running them fast. They should be a good 30 seconds to as much as 2 minutes slower than your anticipated marathon race pace. Certainly finishing the last 1/4 of some of them at MP is a good idea (maybe even do 3/4 or so of one at MP), but please don't run them all at MP. Remember ... run your easy days easy so you can run your hard days hard. A long run in and of itself is considered a hard-workout and if you add speed to it to you won't be recovered in time to do your midweek runs at appropriate effort. So typically you'll have 3 hard workouts per week, two mid week speed sessions (say a VO2max and a tempo) and then the weekend long run. The other mid-week runs should all be easy (as in you could hold a conversation with someone) pace. Okay, so maybe that was more than one piece of advice, but hey it's all totally free and worth what you paid for it.  j.
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Nov-05-2006 10:27 PM
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The other mid-week runs should all be easy (as in you could hold a conversation with someone) pace. Okay, so maybe that was more than one piece of advice, but hey it's all totally free and worth what you paid for it. j.
That is great advice and I definitely plan on adhearing to it. I have already started to completely revamp my pace when I run without the stroller. I will definitely take it easy on the first few long runs. I might pick it up just a little on the last few to make sure that I can do it though. I would much rather get hurt here than get hurt during the actual marathon 170 miles away when I have to drive home by myself. Anyway, I will defintiely make sure I run smart. Thanks for the advice. I tend to go all out to soon because that is the only way to run fast with the stroller. I need someone to keep me in check. ------------------
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rlemert
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posted Nov-06-2006 07:36 AM
JDF - Thanks for the congratulations. Unofficially this was a PR by about 26 seconds. I usually wind up about 2-3 seconds slower than the official chip time, so I'm hoping that holds true this time as well. Another milestone passed (under 29:00 now). I'd like to get down to the 25:00 range eventually (maybe next fall's Grand Prix) where I figure I might be competitive from time to time in my age group. Also, thanks for clearing up what that "river" was we had to cross. I remember coming up to that corner going "what the ...? Why are they washing the road right now?" (It's amazing what your mind comes up with when it's delirious.) I also hit that first mile split in 8:30 and was thinking "oh, cxxp, that's way too fast!". On the other hand, maybe I needed it to make up for the later hills. How much longer do you intend to keep racing with the stroller? It's probably great for building your strength, but I'm guessing it's probably gaining a pound or two a week. SWatkins - Enjoyed meeting you as well. I think it makes these message boards more interesting to have faces to associate with the names - and it makes the running more interesting. Good luck at OBX. All I need is to get another 7 seconds per mile off my pace, then hold it for 4x as long a distance, and maybe I'll be looking at my next marathon <g>.
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posted Nov-06-2006 09:13 AM
Yea I don’t think I am going to run with the double jogger much longer. It is starting to get too heavy. I really started to feel it on those hills yesterday. My quads were cramping and killing me during the race. However, there is not much else I can do. My wife runs the races also but she doesn’t really want to use the stroller during the race. Therefore, if I want to race I need to take them. My son is getting to the point where he can do a mile but he would not be able to do a 5K. I think I will just try to run the Old reliable and the Turkey trot with the stroller. After that I will do the marathon. Then I probably won’t race again until the spring. I am really not sure what I will do in the spring. They will be way too heavy to push then(90+ pounds).------------------
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rlemert
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posted Nov-06-2006 10:18 AM
While I was waiting for the start of the Old Reliable 10k last year, a lady that was waiting with me commented that she'd rather be running the 5k but she lost the coin toss. Her husband got to run the 5k while she watched the kids, and she had to run the 10k while he watched the kids. That obviously won't work at events like yesterday, but you might consider it (if you haven't already) for other events.
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posted Nov-06-2006 11:40 AM
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While I was waiting for the start of the Old Reliable 10k last year, a lady that was waiting with me commented that she'd rather be running the 5k but she lost the coin toss. Her husband got to run the 5k while she watched the kids, and she had to run the 10k while he watched the kids. That obviously won't work at events like yesterday, but you might consider it (if you haven't already) for other events.
Yes great thought. Except for my wife is playing violin for the Raleigh Civic Symphony concert during the Old Reliable(Her concert always seems to fall on the same Sunday as the old reliable every year). So not only do I have both the kids for the race but I will also have to take care of them by myself before and after the race. That after having them all week by myself because my wife is out of town. Man, my life is pretty hectic right now! Good luck at the race next week. Will you be running the 10K or the 5K? ------------------
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