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JasonsDrivingForce
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 posted Oct-24-2006 11:11 PM
  
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Originally posted by jaysoffian:
It is worth noting, for those of us attempting to BQ, that Boston takes your chip time.j.
Wow I didn’t realize that. I stand corrected then. I guess I should have said “most” races consider only the gun time as the official time.
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swatkins
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posted Oct-25-2006 06:32 AM
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Originally posted by jaysoffian:
It is worth noting, for those of us attempting to BQ, that Boston takes your chip time.j.
Are you going for a BQ at Outer Banks? How's the training going? I have had issues w/ bursitis in my hip and had to cut back on my mileage by about 30% (among other things) so I have softened my goal.
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stech
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posted Oct-25-2006 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by JasonsDrivingForce:
Wow I didn’t realize that. I stand corrected then. I guess I should have said “most” races consider only the gun time as the official time.
Thanks for the info!
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brook trout
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posted Oct-25-2006 10:04 PM
bit -Did you get the roster for Saturday's race? We'll have some running celebrities amongst us! ------------------
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bitbit
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posted Oct-26-2006 09:21 PM
Hey Brook trout,I got a room at the host hotel and got the roster. I saw Engle was running, but didn't recognize any other names. I need to go back through all the emails tonite to make sure I haven't missed any important details! What time are you shooting for? I'm thinking under 3:30 would be good for me. quote:
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[b]bit -Did you get the roster for Saturday's race? We'll have some running celebrities amongst us! [/B]
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brook trout
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posted Oct-26-2006 09:42 PM
Good! Glad they still had some rooms left.Yup, Engle will be there, and that Lunbald guy is a big ultra-runner (or, I think his wife is, or something...). Then, there's that guy with the 700+ marathons, which I think is the record. Famous might be an over statement, but at least we know who Engle is  . I put down a 3:30 for my goal time, that was just something to put down on paper - I'm still not sure what I'm going to shoot for. This will be my first race longer than 8K (believe it or not!), I'm not really trained for the distance, and the course looks pretty extreme, so I'm going to just keep an open mind and run 'by feel' and hope for the best Edited to add - I just looked at the spreadsheet and there's two females within a few bib numbers of me, so, I'm guessing one of them is you. If so, looks like the top female is shooting for 3:30-ish - so you have a great shot of winning! That'd be pretty cool! I just hope to finish within an hour of Chuck  ------------------
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bitbit
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posted Oct-26-2006 10:03 PM
I'm not out to win! Just want to have a good time. I can't run too hard, since Richmond is two weeks later! I saw your picture and will look for you on the bus or at the start! I'm 5' 1'' and have reddish/auburn hair... look for me! I ran the half on Sunday, but have been taking it easy this week. So hopefully I'll feel good for Saturday! If you are thinking 3:30, we may get to chat and run for a bit.
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Originally posted by brook trout:
Good! Glad they still had some rooms left.Yup, Engle will be there, and that Lunbald guy is a big ultra-runner (or, I think his wife is, or something...). Then, there's that guy with the 700+ marathons, which I think is the record. Famous might be an over statement, but at least we know who Engle is . I put down a 3:30 for my goal time, that was just something to put down on paper - I'm still not sure what I'm going to shoot for. This will be my first race longer than 8K (believe it or not!), I'm not really trained for the distance, and the course looks pretty extreme, so I'm going to just keep an open mind and run 'by feel' and hope for the best Edited to add - I just looked at the spreadsheet and there's two females within a few bib numbers of me, so, I'm guessing one of them is you. If so, looks like the top female is shooting for 3:30-ish - so you have a great shot of winning! That'd be pretty cool! I just hope to finish within an hour of Chuck
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brook trout
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posted Oct-26-2006 10:13 PM
Cool, I will. I'll probably ask you all sorts of questions related to the marathon - how to pace, how you should feel, etc, so be warned. I have no idea what I'm doing!------------------
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bitbit
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posted Oct-26-2006 10:43 PM
Sounds good!
I've only run 8, so I'm no expert! I know you haven't formally trained for this, but I read about your 15 miler at a great pace and I think you will be fine. My last marathon was Grandfather mountain in July, so I'm pretty excited to be running mostly down instead of mostly up! quote:
Originally posted by brook trout:
Cool, I will. I'll probably ask you all sorts of questions related to the marathon - how to pace, how you should feel, etc, so be warned. I have no idea what I'm doing!
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jaysoffian
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posted Oct-26-2006 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by swatkins:
Are you going for a BQ at Outer Banks? How's the training going? I have had issues w/ bursitis in my hip and had to cut back on my mileage by about 30% (among other things) so I have softened my goal.
I'm going for 3:30 at OB. My BQ is 3:15:59, so that will be next year, maybe a springtime marathon like the new Georgia Marathon. Training was going very well but week last I didn't run at all 'cept my long run due to work obligations (ugh). Other than that my training has been more or less to plan. This is the first week of my taper. I feel I'm on track for the 3:30 but I've bonked my previous three marathons, so we'll see. 3:15 is going to be a huge effort for me. I'll probably have to step up to 70 mpw. I've been running for 4 or 5 years now but I don't have brooktrout's speed (sure wish I could run that fast on the same mileage, oh well, I'll get there, just a matter of time). Maybe I need to start pushing a stroller like JDF. Good luck at OBX, maybe I'll see you there. That reminds me, I gotta sign up for that shuttle... j.
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Oct-27-2006 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by jaysoffian:
3:15 is going to be a huge effort for me. I'll probably have to step up to 70 mpw. I've been running for 4 or 5 years now but I don't have brooktrout's speed (sure wish I could run that fast on the same mileage, oh well, I'll get there, just a matter of time). Maybe I need to start pushing a stroller like JDF.
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You wouldn’t believe what the stroller will do for your speed! I have shaved almost 2 minutes off of my 5K time in the last 3 months on less than 18 mpw. I managed only 3 miles of training with my wife(8.5 minute pace) this week. I felt really strong on a few sprints that I did though. I am going to really try to put the hammer down the whole way on the 5K on Sunday. I am confident that I can get below 19 on this course. Maybe even lower? Good luck with your marathon. I know I couldn’t do one right now. I would get 6 miles in and Bonk. Man I need to get some good training in. I just can’t seem to find the time with everything I have going on. ------------------
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Oct-27-2006 11:04 AM
Brightroom pictures are up for the Inside Out 10K and Half! There are some good ones there! Just search for your bib number which you can find on the results page below. There are also some extra pictures that you might be in where they could not read the bib number.Brightroom pics
http://www.brightroom.com/view_event.asp?EVENTID=13914&PWD= Results
http://www.active.com/results/viewresults.cfm?e_id=1341509 Extra pics
http://www.brightroom.com/lost_photos.asp?EVENTID=13914&PWD=
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brook trout
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posted Oct-28-2006 03:35 PM
Bit, it was very nice meeting you and your friends! You were all very tolerant of my pre-race nervous chatter and my post race endorphin-fueled chatter, which was good of you. Congratulations on your win, too! Yes, folks, bit is far too humble to mention this her self, but I have no such qualms – she won the race! It was awesome - you ran a smart, tough run on a tough course – good job! you're an excellent runner - oh, and nice plate!Myself, well, I didn’t do as well. I ran easy and without trouble for the first 18 miles, and then, out of nowhere, I was wracked with excruciating calf cramps that plagued me for the remainder of the race (I was actually screaming in agony, folks  ). I was reduced to a very slow jog with frequent stops (and falls, too – a few times I went down like I had been shot) to massage out the cramps. Nasty way to run eight miles, but I got through it, no worse for where. I feel like I learned a LOT about racing long distance, too, and I’m glad I ran the race before my “real” marathon in March. ------------------
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bitbit
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posted Oct-28-2006 11:35 PM
Brook Trout,It was very nice to meet you too! I know you weren't happy with your time, but you took the risk, ran the race, and saw what you could do. You had a fantastic 18 miles and you learned a lot! I hope you can figure out what was causing the cramps (dehydration, fuel, the course, etc.) I am sure your next marathon will be faster! (Which one are you training for, by the way?) So congrats! How are your legs feeling now?
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brook trout
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posted Oct-29-2006 07:38 AM
Thanks bit,Every single muscle from my abs down is extremely sore. Naturally, the calves are the worst. It's normal DOMS, though - nothing abnormal, so I'm uninjured (but will need a few days of recovery because I can barely walk!). I'm currently registered for the Sarasota marathon in March (FL). there's a small chance that I'm going to swithc to the Virginia Creeper marathon, due to easier logistics. In either case, I reckon I'll be better prepared by then! That's what I'm chalking up the cramps too - insufficient preparation. Everyone ran the same course and had the same # of aid stations, so I can't really blame the environment. The one thing I obviously lacked that most of the other runners had was experience, and presumably, training. I probably ran the first half too fast, too - even though I felt fine cardio-vascular-wise (new word), I didn't consider the toll all those downhills were taking on my running muscles. I figured that as long as I wasn't laboring, that I was running at what felt like and easy pace, I was fine. Wrong! I remember that the vibration from the impacts (my hamstring muscles were quivering like piano wires after each downhill step) and the road's camber were really bothering me, but I never thought it would lead to the problems I had. Live and learn. Good luck in Richmond! ------------------
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bitbit
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posted Oct-29-2006 03:08 PM
Brook Trout,I need a few days of recovery too! Nothing hurts much except for my calves, but man do they HURT!! I'm glad you aren't injured. I can't even imagine how painful those cramps were. I'm so glad you were able to finish. I haven't heard much about either of those marathons, but I am sure you will be better prepared by then. I am sure it will be easier to pace yourself on either course! Thanks! I hope I am fully recovered in time for Richmond. I guess I'll find out in two weeks! K
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brook trout
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posted Oct-29-2006 06:44 PM
Read about the Virginia Creeper Marathon here and here.I've heard only good things about this race and... it's 10 bucks! It's also driving distance from the triangle, so it's logistically feasible. I think I'm going to sign up for it, actually. It's four weeks after Sarasota, so I should be recovered, and since it's on trails, it shouldn't beat me up too bad, and it sounds like a nice time. ------------------
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bitbit
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posted Oct-29-2006 09:22 PM
You should definitely sign up if it's four weeks after the FL one! Sounds like a good one! I want to run it too. Only ten bucks and four hours away. Could be a fun road trip! The only problem is that it's only two weeks before Boston, which I keep saying I'm going to do, but don't! Hmmm...
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jaysoffian
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posted Oct-29-2006 11:30 PM
Don't overlook the Umstead marathon which is in March. Bob ran it last year and I think his race report is in this thread if you dig back far enough.Just ran my last long run today on the ATT (17 miles). Two weeks to OBX. Those last minute boo boo birds are coming out: am I trained well enough? Is that one week I missed going to hurt my times significantly? Can I really do a 3:30 marathon? I hate tapering.  j.
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swatkins
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posted Oct-30-2006 06:10 AM
j, I feel your pain. I did 2 legs of the Cape Cod Marathon Relay yesterday (about 12 mi total) at mp as a family reunion thing. It was high wind conditions but I finished right on pace. However, now my hip is flared back up and I'm really nervous about it. I don't know if I should get it injected again (I can't take anti-inflammatories). I have been alternating ice and heat and stretching it.
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brook trout
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posted Oct-30-2006 09:29 AM
Jay, you'll be fine You've put in some long runs, and that's the important thing. If you're worried about "the wall", don't. You've trained too well for that. It was never a factor in my run this weekend and my training was much less than yours. I had other problems, but they had more to do with the extreme course. Glycogen depletion was never a problem. Swatkins, I hope the flare up flares down for you. I'd hold off getting injected and just rest, ice, ibu, etc - what you're doing. The hays in the barn, resting now won't hurt you. bit - I finally had the courage to look at my stopwatch this morning. Wanna see something funny? 1st half: 1:34
2nd half: 2:03  I was on sub-3:10 pace at mile 18, and then my splits went from 7:0X-7:2X minute miles to 11-12 minute miles! YIKES! I'm 90% sure that I'll be sending in my application for the Creeper marathon today (it's almost full, so I'd better hurry). Sarasota is turning out to be more logistically difficult than I had hoped. Plus, with the Creeper, I could run Umstead as a final long run before a three week taper . I'm turning into one of those marathon crazies, I think. I'll get back to the short stuff some day, I'm sure. Jason/Travis
To answer your question (how do you train for long distances with family obligations) - The focus of my training has been (for the past month+) two quality long runs, one on Sunday and one on Wednesday. I get up at 4:00am for these runs, so I'm home in time for when I'm needed. I try to add some quality into the long runs so I'm not concerned with lots of specific workouts throughout the rest of the week. I fill out the rest of my running schedule as I can - I sometimes run at lunch hour at work and sometimes run after the kids go to bed. So, it's basically a long run on Sunday, a medium long run on Wednesday, then a bunch of 4-7 milers interspersed throughout the week to fill out the schedule.
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Oct-30-2006 09:53 AM
Bit and Brooktrout,
Good job on your marathons. Brook, I know you were disappointed with the results, but hey you finished it right? That is more than I could do right now. My lack of training lately is starting to show. I ran the 5K yesterday. I have lost a lot in the last two weeks. I ran a 21:12 on an easy course. Yep two full minutes behind my time two weeks ago. Now there were a couple of things that slowed me down that I couldn’t control. For one, the race was very poorly organized. They basically said “runners the 5K will start in 5 minutes”. 4 minutes later(3 minutes before the 3:00 start time) they blew the whistle. Needless to say I was still putting my infant daughter in the stroller about 100 feet away from the start line when they started race. I was the last one to cross the start line and I estimate I lost about 45 seconds there. Then I had to weave my way through the entire field with the double jogger. In the end I felt good about the race though. I was struggling up the hills but I was maintaining a good pace on the downhills and even the flats this time.I have finally decided to do some real training without the stroller. Now I will still run the Local 5K and 10K races with it but you guys(Bit and BrookTrout) have inspired me to set my sites on the Marathon. My goal is try to BQ for the 07 race. However, I am not sure if that will give me enough time to train properly for it. I guess I need about 4 months before I make my first attempt at it. Is that about right? Are there many marathons in January, February, and March that will count towards the BQ? Does anyone have any good recommendations on what run I should try to BQ with? Now with daylight savings I can train early in the morning and still have some light. I got up at 4:40 am this morning and fed my daughter until 5:30. Then I was able to get in a 10K down Cary Parkway. I was pretty slow(45:05 this morning, I did a 44:05 with the stroller on the hilliest course ever last week) but I will definitely improve on that if I do a 10K every morning during the week. I feel pretty comfortable with the 10K so I plan on trying to ramp up the mileage quickly. Is that a bad idea? I also had a question about the actual time I need to BQ. I am a 30 year old Male. What is the maximum time I can run and still BQ? Congrats to everyone who raced this weekend and nice win Bit!
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jaysoffian
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posted Oct-30-2006 10:47 AM
BT - thank you for the kind words of encouragement. Also, congratulations on completing your first marathon. I'm going to put in my 0.02 on your calf cramps ... I don't think they were caused by the hills. Downhills take a lot out of your quads. The constant breaking (as you slow yourself from falling down the hill) literally weakens them with every step. But I don't know why this would cause your calfs to cramp. Rather, I think your calf cramping was a shortage of potassium and sodium. I've only had calf cramps in one race and it was at the end of a completely flat half marathon. I've heard of folks who carry salt packets with them during a marathon, though I've never done so. But I do try to alternate water+gu and then sports drink at every other water stop. Staying properly hydrated in a marathon is really important.JDF - My .02 on training. Go get Pete Pfitzinger's Advanced Marathoning and/or Daniels' Running Formula. Pete's book has 12, 18, and 24 week training plans at a variety of weekly mileages (up to 55, up to 70, more than 90 I think). I think the 18/55 is a very good first-time marathoner's training plan for someone who has been running for a while as you have. You'll probably want to spend 12 weeks building your base mileage up to the beginning of the 18/55 plan. Here's what that first week looks like: Mon Rest or cross-training
Tue General aerobic + speed 7 mi w/ 10 x 100 m strides
Wed Rest or cross-training
Thu General aerobic 9 mi
Fri Rest or cross-training
Sat Recovery 4 mi
Sun Medium-long run 12 mi j.
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jaysoffian
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posted Oct-30-2006 10:52 AM
Also, Boston qualifying times and "most popular" qualifying race info is here:http://www.bostonmarathon.org/BostonMarathon/Qualifying.asp j.
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Oct-30-2006 12:05 PM
Jays,Awesome, thanks. I am getting the books today and it looks like I should be able to continue with the training now that I have at least some light in the morning. I do have 4 weeks in the next four months where I have the kids to myself though. That means that if I don’t take them with me then I can’t run at all that week. Oh well, I hope the little ones are up for a 12 miler at 5:00 AM. Just kidding about that by the way. I will find someone to take care of them on those days when I need to run.
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