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brook trout
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 posted Oct-10-2006 08:39 PM
   
Thanks Bob,I would probably hit the trail around 8:00pm and run until about 9:30-10:00. This would be mid-week. Do you think it would be deserted? I figured some of those ultra-types would come out from time to time to practice running in the dark... I know what you mean about spooky - we're grown men, but there's something primitive in the reptlilian bits of the brain that still give us the willies, alone, on the trails in the dark  Heck, I just got off of the stupid little fire road in Durant Nature center - running in darkness past the old cabins out there - it was Blair Witch-like and I turned back. Geez, what a sissy. ------------------
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jaysoffian
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posted Oct-11-2006 02:03 PM
I've run Umstead at dusk, but not at night. It was pretty empty. The few folks I saw were on their way out.I've also run the ATT as early as 5:00 AM, a good hour before the sun came up. I ran w/o a headlight. It was a moonless morning and under the ATT tree cover it was very dark. I could just make out a faint glow of the gravel trail. I imagine Umstead would be similar, if not a little brighter from the city glow. It's weird because your peripheral vision is more light sensitive than your direct vision, so you see things out to the side with this cone of darkness right in front of you. It is a strange feeling running in the dark like that. I agree that it can get spooky, but it's fun (and peaceful). You probably don't have to worry about the maniac Umstead cyclists that late. :-) BT, I'm training for a 3:30 at OBX. swatkins is running it as well. I'm using the Pftiz 55/24. After that I'm going to attempt a BQ (3:15), maybe at the new Geogia Marathon next year. I think I'll have to ramp up to 70 mpw though. j. [This message has been edited by jaysoffian (edited Oct-11-2006).]
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jaysoffian
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posted Oct-11-2006 02:15 PM
FYI, I've just emailed the moderator for this forum the following: quote:
Kind Cool Running moderator,The Raleigh, NC runners!!! thread is up to 32 pages which I assume has something to do with why it is so slow to post new messages to the thread. Would you advise we start a new thread and archive the old thread, possibly posting a link from the new thread to the old thread? Thanks, j.
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Oct-11-2006 02:33 PM
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FYI, I've just emailed the moderator for this forum the following: [QUOTE]
Kind Cool Running moderator, The Raleigh, NC runners!!! thread is up to 32 pages which I assume has something to do with why it is so slow to post new messages to the thread. Would you advise we start a new thread and archive the old thread, possibly posting a link from the new thread to the old thread? Thanks, j.
[/QUOTE]Personally I say leave it in this thread. The Raleigh thread currently has the second most posts of any of the “neighborhood” threads. We are so close to Macon that it might be kind of cool to have the most posts. The number of posts lets runners who are moving to the area know that it is actually a very runner friendly community. Plus I don’t think that the number of posts is causing the long delay. I see that on other threads that only have 1 page.
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runningbcooksmom
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posted Oct-12-2006 12:51 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by crossrunner:
[B]hey...
just want to know that I'm not alone!  And also, would like to know where you run locally?Hello, I'm a mom whose daughter is a runner. We just moved to Charlotte, NC and I would like to find another Kenyan runner for her to train with. She has been training with David Cheromei in Tennessee and I don't want to change her style. Can someone help?
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runningbcooksmom
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posted Oct-12-2006 12:54 PM
Hello, my daughter is a runner and we just moved to Charlotte, NC. She has been training with Kenyan David Cheromei in Tennessee and I would like to find another Kenyan here for her to train with. Can anyone help me? I didn't see a forum for Charlotte runners.
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Docster
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posted Oct-12-2006 02:51 PM
Runningbcooksmom - Start a new Charlotte, NC thread here. I know several of us on these boards, but you have a more legitimate reason than I do to start a new thread.
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brook trout
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posted Oct-13-2006 11:37 AM
I managed to get out to Umstead in the wee morning hours this morning - started at about 5:00am - very dark. I ran the Turkey Creeks, Gralyn loop. starting from Ebenezer Church Road. N. Turkey Creek is easier to run when it's dark and can't see the tops of the hills!It wasn't all that creepy. I was startled by an owl flying just feet over my head, the glowing eyes from a herd of deer staring at me from the trees, and reflectors jumping out at me, but that's it. In the 8 mile loop I only saw one other human, walking, carrying a flashlight. I'll have to do this again. Like Bob said, it's kind of peaceful out there in the dark. Visibility was good with the Petzl and the footing on the bridle paths is great, even in the dark.
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rlemert
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posted Oct-14-2006 11:07 AM
While I generally consider the rest of you in this forum to be almost in a different league than me with your running, I've made a significant move towards catching up with you. I ran the Autism Ribbon run today, and blew away my goal of going under 30 minutes (29:18 unofficial chip time). That's almost a 45 second PR. My full race report is in the Boomer's thread.
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jaysoffian
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posted Oct-15-2006 07:48 PM
21 miles this morning on the ATT. Started at 7:45 AM and it was about 34. Brrrr. I felt lethargic the whole run, was only hitting my target of 9:00 miles now and again. But then the last 3.5 miles an older gentleman ran past and I decided, heck, this is probably how I'll feel at the end of the marathon, gotta pick it up. So I started pacing after him and eventually caught up. I asked if he minded if I pace off of him and he said no worries. We chatted for a bit, he's running Chicago (is that next week?) with a goal of 3:30. Hey same as my goal for OBX, but it will be a BQ for him. Good luck who ever you are. :-)Anyway, ended up running the last 3.5 miles at about 7:30 pace (last mile at 7:10) so I ended up with an average pace of 9:12 or so. Not too bad considering. I hadn't run the ATT in a couple weeks ... some of the trees are starting to turn colors and it's really pretty out there right now. Now's the time to get out and run the trails. I'm probably going to run the inside-out half next weekend. Going to aim for 7:30 pace I think, which would be a PR. We'll see. JDF - how'd your 5K go yesterday? rlemert - congrats on your PR. [This message has been edited by jaysoffian (edited Oct-15-2006).]
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Oct-15-2006 09:55 PM
Jaysoffian,Sounds like you had a pretty good run. Man you must have really kicked it in on those last few miles. The autism ribbon run went very well. It was an absolutely gorgeous morning. About 42 degrees and totally sunny with a faint breeze. At the start I noticed that most of the Raleigh Running Club was not present so I decided to take a spot right up on the starting line. That gave me the best shot to get a decent first mile. I was able to hold a sub 6 minute pace for the first half mile so I wasn't in anyone's way. At the 1/4 mile mark a young teen in long pants and a sweat shirt decided he was going to try to pass me with an all out sprint. He passed me doing about a 5 minute mile. He only got about 100 yards ahead of me and started to fade VERY quickly. You should have seen his face when I blew passed him with the 80+ pound double jogger on my way to a 5:58 first mile. The course was hillier than I remembered. However, it is still the flatest fastest course in Raleigh. My first mile was slower than I had anticipated because it had a medium hill at the end. The next half mile was downhill though. I was able to really open it up then. I actually passed 3 or 4 strong runners on that downhill. Then the tough part came up. It is a 1 mile low to medium hill. I knew that everyone I just passed was going to overtake me now so I just tried to hold a steady pace. I missed the second mile marker so I didn't get my split. I just kept my head down and pushed with everything I had. There is a short steap hill at the last half mile and then the last quarter mile is all downhill. A couple of people that I have run with before were definitely pushing it to pass me up that hill. When I reached what felt like the summit of Everest I decided I wasn't going to give up on my goal of a sub 19. I just took off with a 1/4 to go. I passed a few people on that long downhill but as I came up to the line I knew the 19 had passed. I ended up with a 19:16 and I won my age group outright. I was pleased that I had blasted another 26 seconds off my PR but I really wanted that sub 19. Oh well I guess I need to train more. I have slipped to less than 10 mpw now. I am going to change that though! Overall it was a great race. The winner came in arround 14:40 and the first woman who was third overall had a 17:10 I think. FAST RACE! I hope to see you all at the inside out half and 10K. I will run the 10K just because I want to run with the kids. If you see me give me a holler! quote:
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21 miles this morning on the ATT.
Anyway, ended up running the last 3.5 miles at about 7:30 pace (last mile at 7:10) so I ended up with an average pace of 9:12 or so. Not too bad considering.I'm probably going to run the inside-out half next weekend. Going to aim for 7:30 pace I think, which would be a PR. We'll see. JDF - how'd your 5K go yesterday? rlemert - congrats on your PR. [This message has been edited by jaysoffian (edited Oct-15-2006).]
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Oct-16-2006 01:22 PM
Autism Ribbon Run results are posted.
http://www.queencitytiming.com/2006_results/autism_ribbon_run_5k.htmLooks like a lot of people have to decided to sit the 2nd empire series out. That is a shame. Right now I am 7th overall while pushing a double jogger! Soon to be 6th! I am gunning for you Patrick! If you haven’t run one of the two races already then even if you win the next 3 races you probably will not place in the top 5. The top 5 people for the last two races should have more than 3000 points if they run at least 4 races. I guess this competition just isn’t as good as in previous years. Oh well, if you don’t show up then your 15:00 flat speed turns into a DNF. See you at the inside out! Those hills are brutal with the stroller.
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swatkins
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posted Oct-16-2006 05:22 PM
Where are the standings for the series? I can only find them for the first race?
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Oct-16-2006 10:38 PM
The standings through the first race are here. I imagine Jim will have the results through the second race up by mid week.http://www.active.com/results/viewresults.cfm?e_id=1342433
http://www.runnc.com/exec/young/2006.cfm?publicationID=283#oct
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Where are the standings for the series? I can only find them for the first race?
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jaysoffian
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posted Oct-16-2006 11:14 PM
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Those hills are brutal with the stroller.
You're referring to the inside-out race? That goes up into Umstead and turns around at the airport lookout right? Oh boy, *that* will be fun. Totally unrelated, your member name is Yngwie-inspired, yes? I just got that. Congrats on your 5K. j. [This message has been edited by jaysoffian (edited Oct-16-2006).]
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Oct-17-2006 09:24 AM
Yea, I was talking about the inside out race. However, I am not running the half marathon. I am running the 10K which goes up Weston parkway. I think the 10K course is even hillier than the half. I ran it last year with a 50 pound single stroller and I was about 3 minutes slow. I am in better shape this year but the extra 30 pounds will make a huge difference on those long steep hills. Should be fun, don’t you think?Not sure what you meant about the username? Were you asking me or someone else?
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You're referring to the inside-out race? That goes up into Umstead and turns around at the airport lookout right? Oh boy, *that* will be fun.Totally unrelated, your member name is Yngwie-inspired, yes? I just got that. Congrats on your 5K. j. [This message has been edited by jaysoffian (edited Oct-16-2006).]
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jaysoffian
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posted Oct-17-2006 07:31 PM
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Not sure what you meant about the username? Were you asking me or someone else?
Oh well, I guess not inspired by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_Force then.  j.
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Oct-18-2006 09:10 AM
Well it looks like the inside out 10K and Half marathon have a new course. They took out the big hill at the turn arround of the half and moved the start line to the inside out store. The problem is now the course actually finishes about 84 feet above the start! I thought that courses could only be certified if they started within a certain horizontal distance from the start and within a certain elevation distance from the start? Is that only for courses that the start is above the finish? Oh well these courses are going to be murderous now! There are some very long steep hills on the 10K now. The winning time was only a 34:00 for the 10K last year. I would expect that to go up to a 35:00 or 36:00 this year. That is really slow. It is going to be tough with the stroller. My wife isn’t running this race so I might have to leave my daughter with her. I am not sure if I can even finish the race with the double stroller. Here are the course maps.10K
http://ncroadrunners.org/IOClassic/images/ios10-8.jpg Half
http://ncroadrunners.org/IOClassic/images/ioshm4.jpg
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rlemert
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posted Oct-18-2006 10:50 AM
I thought the finish for the Inside-Out races was still in the same place as last year, but the turn-arounds were moved. Still, I did the half last year (I'm doing the 10k this year), and I remember thinking it was a royal pain making the last three miles mostly up-hill. (In spite of this, though, I actually had negative splits last year - probably the best race I ran all year.) I'm also not certain about this, but based on comments I saw in another thread somewhere I think there's a difference between a course being "certified" and being "record eligible". The comment was describing a course as being certified but not record eligible because it had an excessive vertical drop. Based in this I think "certified" just means that the distance has been measured in accordance with certain standards and found to be accurate. "Record eligible" would therefore mean that the course fulfills some additional standards, such as not having an excessive vertical drop. I guess if you can set a record with a net vertical climb, more power to you.
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jaysoffian
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posted Oct-18-2006 12:19 PM
Everything you want to know answered here -- http://www.usatf.com/events/courses/certification/In particular, from http://www.usatf.com/events/courses/certification/manual/appendix-d.asp quote:
The rules on eligibility for USATF records make a distinction between courses with start-to-finish separation less than or greater than 30% of the race distance (such as 1.5 km for a 5 km race). If it appears that your course is close to this threshold, try to determine its separation more accurately. Your course can be certified either way; however, if the separation exceeds 30%, official records can be accepted only when there isn't a significant tailwind during the race.
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Note: We are most interested in the difference in elevation between the Start and Finish; therefore, it is more important to determine this difference accurately than to get all of the individual elevations above sea level just right. Eligibility for records depends on whether the course has a net drop in elevation exceeding 1/1000 of the race distance (such as 10 meters for a 10 km race). If it appears that your course is close to this threshold, try to determine its drop more accurately. Your course can be certified either way, and will also be eligible for USATF "best" times either way; however, it must not drop more than 1 m/km in order to be eligible for official USATF "records."
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JasonsDrivingForce
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posted Oct-18-2006 12:21 PM
Yes that is correct, the finish is still the same the only thing that has changed is the starting line and the turn around points. And yes the last 3 miles are pretty much uphill. The main difference this year is that the course does not start on a long downhill like it did last year. Instead it climbs almost 85 feet in the first mile and you never get those 85 feet back since it finishes higher than it started. I think they are trying to make this the toughest course in Raleigh. Are you up for the challenge?
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swatkins
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posted Oct-18-2006 04:52 PM
Even back when the race was called the Carrabas Classic, I think the course got changed almost every year. Not sure what the rationale for that is.
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posted Oct-18-2006 10:04 PM
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Yes that is correct, the finish is still the same the only thing that has changed is the starting line and the turn around points. And yes the last 3 miles are pretty much uphill. The main difference this year is that the course does not start on a long downhill like it did last year. Instead it climbs almost 85 feet in the first mile and you never get those 85 feet back since it finishes higher than it started. I think they are trying to make this the toughest course in Raleigh. Are you up for the challenge?
Yikes! This is going to be my first half marathon. I honestly don't know if I am up for the challenge. To be honest, I am a bit um...terrified? concerned?
(maybe somewhere between the two)
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rlemert
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posted Oct-18-2006 10:37 PM
This was my first half last year, and I was able to run negative splits despite having to run up-hill for the last quarter of the race. (In fact, my time last year is 35 minutes faster than the half I ran in Virginia Beach two months ago - which is a very flat course. I was significantly under-trained this year, a situation I'm in the process of correcting.) It sounds more imposing that it really is, as the last three miles are almost a steady climb and therefore aren't that steep. I think the steepest part is going to be the first mile of the new course, since you have pretty much the same climb but 1/3 the distance to make it in. Just go out slow and keep plenty of reserve in the tank. I'm just doing the 10k this year, and my big concern is going out too fast in that first mile and leaving everything behind.
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jsrrunner
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posted Oct-19-2006 12:19 AM
I am doing the Inside Out 10K this weekend, so I did a few runs on the course to find out how bad the hills really are. Let me just say, it is going to be brutal in the first mile! The second mile is all slightly downhill, so the times should be fast (assuming you can recover from mile 1!). From there on, it is all huge rolling hills, either flying downhill or crawling uphill on Weston Parkway. I can't believe they are ending the race higher than the starting point. I moved here from Indiana this summer, so I am not a hill runner. I'm just hoping to survive the race! Normally I would run about 40 or 41:00 for 10K. Just hoping to do 45 on this course....Janelle
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