|posted Oct-01-2006 11:50 PM
Originally posted by Ray Andrews:
You realize, don't you, that this is the way Ameica looks to a large part of the world--particularly to those trying to subsist under dictatorships.
Originally posted by pigeye:
That may or may not be, but it has not so much to do with the question.
Ah, but it has EVERYTHING to do with the question, as well as with this thread's topic.
What is "America," anyway? Is it just a physical thing--i.e., geographical region in the northern hemisphere?: Or is it a cultural thing--you know, like "baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet?" Or is it "America" an ethereal thing, like what Paul Simon wrote in his song by that name:
"let us be lovers, we'll marry our fortunes together.
I've got some real estate here in my bag.
So we bought a pack of cigarettes and Mrs. Wagner pies,
And we walked off to look for America
'Kathy,' I said as we boarded a Greyhound in Pittsburgh,
'Michigan seems like a dream to me now;
It took me four days to hitchhike from Saginaw.
I've gone to look for America...
'Kathy, Im lost,' I said, though I knew she was sleeping,
'I'm empty and aching and I dont know why:
Counting the cars on the New Jersey Turnpike--
They've all gone to look for America,
All gone to look for America...
An ambition? A dream?
No, wait! "America" is the embodiment of the ideals of its founding fathers; it is the Constitution!
(But what is the Constitution? Is it a piece of paper? Words on a page? And what do those words mean, anyway--only what the nine robed prefects of SCOTUS say they mean? Is that all "America" is???)
And what is "God?" Is God just a book? Words on a page? And what do those words mean--only what robed preachers in pulpits say they mean? Is that all "God" is?
If "America" is something that transcends the physical dimensions of its geography and people, we could say it like "God" in that respect; because God transcends everything He has made and all the responses of things made toward Him in His essence.
If you would know God in His essence you must search from Him, in a similar vain to Paul and Kathy's Greyhound trip in search of America...
...although God is not far from each of us, for in Him we live and move and have our being--even as some of your poets have said: 'we are His offspring.'"
Capricious? I don't agree that "America" as an entity is capricious--though it has share of capricciosi--for America is greater even than its people.
Or, as Katherine Lee Bates put it so aptly:
"O beautiful for patriot dream
That sees beyond the years
Thine alabaster cities gleam
Undimmed by human tears.
God shed His grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!"
This thread is about taking God out of America.
Take God out of America, and you forfeit His shed grace. Lacking said grace you will soon be lacking that good, without which there can be no brotherhood. In fact, I'd say we're perilously close to that stage already.
[This message has been edited by Ray Andrews (edited Oct-02-2006).]